Dear Sri Satakpopan Svami, Adiyens pranam. This second email in same tread, will fix the confusion i guess. > Still there is no answer yet as to why Ramanuja > Nootrandadhi is considered as a part of 4000. In the first email adiyen have given various reasons as to why IN (Iramanusa Nootranthathi) is not a part of 4000. Regarding the sankyai of 4000 dhivya prabhandam, counting Madals and Thiruvezhukootrarikkai as one paasuram is the correct way to count, (Tamil grammar). This leads to paasurams less than 4000. However even if it is more or less equal to 4000, it is ok call it 4000 (sort of round total). Why? round total is correct(please refer to explainations of purusha sooktham, shathamanam bhavathi.. etc where it is said 100/1000 but really means many). In this context adiyen would like to quote Mukoor Sri Lakshmi Narasimhachar svami, from his book "kurai onrum illai". In Aasirvaadham when they chant "sathamanam bhavathi.. sathayu:...." svami gives clear explaination as they dont mean that the person who is receiving aseervadham must live just 100 years and go to perumal's kainkaryam in paramapadham on 101st birthday, what they mean is that the person should live long, etc (note long = +/-). > Q2: was If Amudhanar's work can be added, then why not Desika > prabhandam in order to make it a complete 4000. Please note that none of the Acharya's prabhandam is included inside Dhivya prabhandam. Only amuthanars prabhandam about Ramanuja is given status (still not included) that of dhivya prabhandam. adiyen will give the reason why, according to poorvacharyas. There is a difference between Dhivya Prabhandam and other Prabhandams. There is a reason why the Dhivya Prabhandam has a prefix "Dhivya" and other Prabhandams by Aacharyas don't. Our elders have considered the status of the word "Dhivya" according to "pramaana" "prameya" and "pramaatha". Of all the Prabhandams which extol about supreme or Bhagavaan only these Prabhandams (a set known as "Sriyappathi Emperumaanaal myarvara mathinalam arulapettra Aazvargal arulichitha Naalayira Dhivya Prabhandam" in full) are the best and they also got name as "Dravida Vedam" or "Tamiz Vedam" used interchangeably. The people who made those are called "Dhivya Sooris" or "Azwars" meaning "who are immersed in Bhagavaan and Bhagavath Kalyana Gunas all the time". The kshetrams which are sung by the Dhivya sooris are called Dhivya Desams. What a "Dhivya" construction of network by the poorvacharyas. Dhivya can be closely translated to "Divine". Now why Iramanusa Nootranthathi is given Status. It was because of Namperumals divine order. refer to Upadesa-ratna-malai of Svami Manavalamamunikal "Emperumanar Darisanam" is the name given to Srivaishnava Sampradayam by "Sri Namperumal" Himself. Sri Namperumal did the arulappadu to Amuthanar and later gave this status to this Prabhandam (recorded in kovil ozugu). Also No other acharyas prabhandams are included (this list includes Amuthanar also). However amuthanar's prabhandam is given status, that is the only difference(please note that inclusion and given status are two different things). please see the list below Rest of Dhivya prabhandam: goes without saying Kanninun chiruththambu: included and given status by poorvacharyas (Nathamuni, uyyakondar,.....). Iramanusa Nootranthathi: given status of dhivya prabhandam by Sri Namperumal but not included in the set. Other Acharyas prabhandams: Neither included nor given status to that of Dhivya Prabhandam. For the same reason above any Acharya prabhandam is chanted after pallandu pallandu in sattrumurai, except Iramanusa Nootranthathi which is given status. Hope this email clears the other questions Adiyen Ramanuja Dasan, N.C.Narashiman. PS: Please note that what adiyen is writing here solely based on poorvacharyas commentaries and explainations. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/.itolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> azhwAr emberumAnAr jeeyAr thiruvadigalE saranam Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ramanuja/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: ramanuja-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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