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SRIMATHE RAMANUJAYA NAMAHA
APPAN THIRUVADIGALE SARANAM

Dear Malolan Cadambi Accept my pranam.

You seem to raise objections based on ?Agamas? Does your objection relate to 
1. The Moorthy conscreated by ?Agamas ? should have that quality only OR 
2 that Moorthy should not have any other quality other than that sanctionedby 
the ?Agama? even if the devotee wishes that the lord possess that quality.

Would you consider ?Sri Rangaraja sthavam as an authority?
In that case kindly refer to sloka 2.74
?AASTHAM THE?..

?????.thava thathas seelath jadibhooyathe?.

Adiyen am giving its meaning only for easy understanding.
? Oh! Renganatha! There is no limit for your gunas. Likewise there is no limit 
for the Avathar expressing such gunas.Apart from this, you are present in 
(Archavathara roopa) in temples,houses and ashramas for worship.You are present 
in all forms as they desire to pardon their errors and you are bound by their 
love. Devotees are engrossed in your ?souseelyam? 

Is it not clear that Lord assumes the form, gunas which devotees desire? You 
have shown Jithendra Stotram. It also confirms that Lord forms himself as the 
devotee desire?

Is this valid if they are sanctioned by Agamas only?

Namazhvar, our Kulapathi (as Alavandar has described ) has sung the divine 
songs Thiruvaimozhi which is accepted as authority in Srivaishnava sampradhya. 
Did he have the sanction of Pancharatra Agama? Right from Sriman Nathamunikal 
all acharyas have followed him. If he has found some qualities in some 
Archavatharas should it have the sanction of Agamas? 

Let us come to the point. :
First the National Flag. It is a piece of cloth. The citizen out of love, 
respect and regard gives the respect to it. It is not necessary that he should 
know the rules about the flowing of it. His respect is spontaneous

In modern days there are many temples which do not confirm strictly to ?Agamas?
yet people attend to these temple to worship lord out of love
Do you mean to say the worship done there is a waste?.

One incident is attributed in Sri.Ramanuja?s life . While he was going rounds 
in Srirangam, he saw some boys playing. They informed him that they are playing 
the game of ?worship in Srirangam temple.? He was shown a sketch as Lord 
Renganatha and was offered a heap of sand as ?Prasadam?. Sri. Ramnuja 
prostrated immediately and accepted the prasadam. It is spontaneous act. Does 
this require any sanction?

We have 13 temples in Kerala sung by Azhvars. The rules and regulations of 
Namboodharis govern them all. Yet, we visit these temples.
Is the worship in these temples are correct?

The Agamas are meant for the construction, maintainance and the mode of worship 
in temples. It is a technical Manual. It does not bind the devotees.

They worship the moorthy and express their love and devotions. 
There is no rule obstructing this.

Thirupanazhvar was carried over the shoulder of Loka saranga Munikal to worship 
Lord Renganatha. He has sung ?Amalanathipiran..?Sri. Vedhantha desika has 
written ?Munivahana Bhogam?.Does this enjoyment and worship require the
sanction of Agamas?

?THIRUVUDAI MANNARAI KAANIL THIRUMALAI KANDEN? TVM.4.4.7
This is not a mistaken identity. The mind of Namazhvar is always occupied by 
the Emperuman and his Kalyana gunakal .He might not have known that there is 
an ?Agama? by which he should worship. Yet his pasurangals are acceptedas 
authority in our Sampradhya. Azhakia manavala perumal Nayanar has highlighted 
some of the gunas enjoyed by NAMAZHVAR in some Divya desankal in sutras 159 to 
186 of Acharya Hrudhayam

It is upto one who has faith in our sampradhya to accept it or leave it. The 
enjoyment of Namazhvar and the exhibition of the same by Azhakia manavala 
nayanar is a treat for those who wants to enjoy it. Adiyen feel that no Agamic 
sanction is required for this. 
Sri. Padmanabhan desires to mail his post. If you want to enjoy it ,WELCOME.

One more incident in Ramanuja?s life is worth quoting.

One Uyyakondar argued with Ramanuja and lost his case.
He said that he was convinced of Ramanuja?s point; but he had no taste for it 
( Srivaishnavam.) Thereupon Ramanuja commented ?You are a man of know ledge 
(vidwan), so agreed to the points .but, you have no grace of Emperuman. That 
is why you do not have taste. It is your fate.? 

Lastly, You have not done justice to sloka 4.11 of Bhagavat Gita. 
Sri. Puttur swamy has done a great job of writing a commentary to it(BG) Sri 
Ramanuja Bhashya where in he has devoted almost 13 pages for this sloka.. He 
has established that this sloka is meant for ?Archavathara?. You may gothrough 
it. If you still disagree, you take up correspondence with him and let Adiyen 
know the results.

Adiyen Ramanuja dasan. T.Parthasarathy.

[From Moderator: We have received a flood of mails re. the issue
of absence of guNa poorthi in archA as per the Agamas, as postulated by 
Sri Cadambi, but since the topic itself is not related to Acharya Hrudayam.
Let us stop with this point and get on with enjoying Acharya Hrudayam]
[Without some formal training on Thiruvaimozhi & Acharya Hrudayam, it may be 
useful to not initiate such orthogonal discussions]




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