Dear Sri Vishnu,
The apologies were for making you think that I did not
want to continue the discussion :-).
Now, looking at the chUrnai 92 in Mumukshuppadi - you
are right. There is no explicit use of sEshatvam here.
But it does talk of destroying something - 'azhikkum
pOdhu'. If you check back, you see that chUrnai 89
states that nama: talks about the bhagavat and
bhAgavata sEshatvam. As a continuation, the 92nd
chUrnai talks about the destruction of this sEshatvam.
Mamunigal's vyakhyanam does explicitly state that
'iththalaiyil sEshathvaththai azhikkum pOdhu'.
One of the commenatries I have for Mumukshuppadi
states that what is being destroyed is the nature of
servitude ('adimai' - 'AtmAvidaththinil uLLa adimaiyai
azhikkum pOdhu'). Mamunigal's vyakhyanam states that
the soul should not profess naiccyam at this time
thinking 'nam sEshathvaththai nAm nOkka vENum'. The
commentary states this as 'nam adimaith thanmaiyai
nAm kAththuk koLLa vENum'.
In explaining chUrnai 93, Mamunigal also uses the
phrase 'sEshatvamE AtmAvukku svarUpam'. Here it is
used to answer the question whether a soul would do
something to prevent His joy. The answer being that,
it is the same sEshatvam which is the nature of the
soul that also causes the soul to behave in this
fashion.
As you can see, these commenatries do explicitly state
that sEshatvam is destroyed and that it is used in the
sense of being a slave to the Lord.
Interestingly, it is here that the vyAkhyAnams start
using the word pAratantryam. PBA Swami states that the
meaning of nama: is sEshatvam (in chUrnai 89), but
that the highest meaning of nama: is pAratanryam
('parama tAtparyam') in chUrnai 94. Mamunigal states
that chUrnai 94 celebrates the pAratantrya pratipatti.
adiyEn madhurakavi dAsan
--- Vishnu <vsmvishnu@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> --- In ramanuja@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, TCA Venkatesan
> <vtca@xxxx> wrote:
> > Dear Sri Vishnu,
> >
> > adiyEn's apologies.adiyEn's apologies. I did not mean
> that we
> >should not discuss the topic. What I meant was my
> concern that we
> >were using the word 'sEshatvam' a little differently
> >in our posts - which I hope I clarified in my last
> > post.
>
> >Such discussions are most useful for us - at least to
> raise
> >questions and thereafter seek the answers from qualified
> scholars.
>
> Respected Swami,
>
> How will we discuss, if we keep apologizing, saying our
> posts
> are "blabberings" and frequently writing "forgive"? May
> be
> some "sAttvika ahankAram" is needed:)
>
> All of us, including self, use words like SEshatvam,
> kainkaryam etc.
> interchangeably. However, when it comes to SEshatvam vs
> pAratantryam,
> we need to go into what the terms originally mean.
>
> I referred to Manavala MamunigaL's commentary for
> mumukshuppadi and
> explanation of Sriman T.K.Gopaplacharya Swami. In that,
> Sriman T.K.
> swami defines what is SEshatvam. He says it is remaining
> as bhOgyam
> for PerumAL, like pushpam, chandanam etc.
>
> PirAtti's and other dEvIs' SEshatvam to PerumAL is
> explained in SrI
> guNa ratna kOSam of Bhattar in similar terms (bhOgyA
> vAmapi
> nAntarIyakatayA pushpAngarAgai: samam...)
>
> Dasanudasan
> Vishnu
>
>
>
>
>
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