Sriman Narayanaya Namaha: Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha: What an auspicious day to share my thoughts on this wonderful question about the equality of Sri BhagavAn and Sri Sudarsana. Sri Sudarsana is normally considered a part of ShodasAutham ( sixteen Ayuthams ) of the Lord. However Sri Sudarsana is the most supreme among them and is considered almost equal to the Lord himself. Sri Sudarsana's fame is extolled in Sadapada BrAhmanam of Sukla yajur vedam. Numerous references to Sri Sudarsana are found also in Yajur and Atharva vedas. For scientific minds, we can say that Sri Sudarsana is the all-pervasive star power of the universe. Sri Desika would say in Sri SudarshanAshtakam verse 2: Subha Jagathrupa MandanA Sadamaga Brahma VandithA Prathitha Vidvath SabashithA Jaya Jaya Sri SudarsanA Sura ghana DrAsa KandanA **Sadapada BrAhma NandithA** Bajatha ahirputhniya LakshithA Jaya Jaya Sri Sudarsanae Sri Desika would also mention in verse 7 `sakala tathvath pradishtitha' meaning that He is the antharyami of all thatvams, sat and chith included. In verse 8 Sri Desika refers to Sri Sudarsana as `Bhuvana Nethra ThrayEmaya', indicating that He is the Three-Veda swarupE. We normally refer to the Lord himself as the Veda swarupE. Thus the equality of Sri Sudarsana and the Lord Narayana is evident. Sri Sudarsana is praised as Surya NarayanA and the Lord as Adhi NarayanA in ThripAd vibhudhi Maha Narayanopanishad 1.5: Anthargatha: Sudarsana Purosho YadhA Surya MandalAnthargatha: Surya Narayano (a) mitha AparichchiNAthvaitha ParamAnantha Lakshana ThejorAchyanthargatha AdiNarayanasdhatha Sandrusyathe. Sri Krishna and Sri Sudarsana are equated in another manthram uttered in the same breath in this upanishad: Om Namo Bhagavathe Rukmini VallabAya SwAhA Om Namo Bhagavathe Maha SudarsanAya Hoom Phat. The moola mantharams in Sudarsana homam praise the same equality and they are all in the Vedas. Much of Sri Mahabharatham is about extolling the virtues of Sri Sudarsana as the mindboggling instrument and representative of the Lord. We all do Santhyavandanam as obeisance to Gayathri, Sudarsana (Surya Narayana ) and the Antharyami, Sriman Narayana, residing in the Surya Mandalam. We perform the Surya Narayana Vandanam as follows: Smarthas recite the following in Sandhyavandanam: Nama: Savithre Jagatheka Sakshushe Jagathprasuthi sthithinasa HethavE| thrayEmayAyathriguNathma Dharine Virinchi Narayana SankarAthmane: Smarthas and Vaishnavas recite this manthram in SandhyAvandanam: Dhyeya: SathA Savithrumandala MadhyavarthE Narayana: SarasijAsana Sannivishtaha: Keyuravan Makara kundalavAn Kireeti Haree Hiranmaya Vabhur dhrutha Sankachakra: Sanka chakra Gatha Pane Dwaraka NilayAchchutha Govindha PundarEkAksha rakshaMam SaranAgatham. We are in fact praying to Sri Sudarsana and the Lord himself. Let us pray that Sri Sudarsana protect us all. Let the supreme Lord do the same. Adiyen Ramanuja dasan U. Ve. R. T. Varadarajan Ph.D. --- In SriRangaSri@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Jayaraman.S" <jai_2_u@xxxx> wrote: > Namaskaram, > > Thanks to Thiru.Anbil Ramaswamy swamin, Thiru.Vijaya > Raghavan swamin, Thiru.jayasarathi swami, > Thiru.T.R.Govindarajan Swamin for explaining about > performing homas for Anya devathas. (Reference to: > Email Subject: Doubts related to KankaabishEkam) > > Adyien understood the significance of workshiping the > lord Vishnu and not anyother anya devathas through > homa, etc.,. This discussion raises another question > about performing sudharsana homam. > > Thiruppaavai ("Pallandu Pallandu") > > "vadivaar sOthi valath-thuRaiyum, sudar-aazhiyum > pallaaNdu / > padaipOr-pukku-muzhangum, appaancha-sanniyamum > pallaaNdE //" > > We do not workship paanchajanyaa(Sanga/conch) or > aazhi(chakrathazhwar/disc) separetly from lord > narayana. paanchajanyaa and Sudharshana azhwar are > part of permal lord narayana. The Sudharsana Chakra or > the divine disc of Maha Vishnu is one of the Lords > prominent weapons in annihilating evil forces. > According to legend, poygaiaazhvaar was an amsam of > changu and Thirumazhisai aazhvaar was an amsam of > aazhi (chakkaram). > > "yeththavam seidhArkkum arul mudivadhu AzhiyAn pAl": > The result of any great tapas is granted only by the > bhagavan who holds the divine sudharsana chakra in his > hand. For those tapas, which are done towards brahma > or rudran the bhagavan who stays as antharyAmi inside > these devas grant the boon. > > "yO yO yAm yAm thanum bhakthi": > (Those who want to worship the devas who are part of > me with due respect, are granted that regard for the > devas by me. That jeeva thereby with due respects > worships the god of his like. And due to the worship > he attains the result I grant him) says bhagavan in > his bhagavat geetha. > > The results of any worship is ultimately granted only > by the ultimate lord nArAyaNan. > > Thus Can we say lord nArAyaNan grants boom when we > workship sudharsana or do sudharsana homam. > (OR) Is sudharsana and lord narayana is one and the > same? Is there any references available for this. > > Dasan, > Jayaraman > > > > _______________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Yahoo! Enter now. > http://promotions.yahoo.com/goldrush ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> $9.95 domain names from Yahoo!. Register anything. http://us.click.yahoo.com/J8kdrA/y20IAA/yQLSAA/VkWolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! 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