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Dear SrI Varadhan,

You wrote:
>The following is not accurate
...
> The misleading part is that the present day 
> "bharanyAsam" is looked upon as a guarantee, whereas
> both the above AchAryAs surrendered to the Lord
> without any expectation of any guarantees.

I request you to kindly let me know the pramANAm for you
to call bharanyAsam as a present day development. First of all,
may I request you to kindly tell me your comprehension of the
term "bharanyAsam" in SrI VaishNavam? What is the present
day "bharanyAsam"?

You wrote:
> The other inaccuracy is that there is no credible
> record of any AchAryA performing surrender for
> the purpose of attaining mOksha, nor is there any
> credible evidence to interpret their position as
> "bharanyAsam/surrender ==> mOksha".

This seems to be your personal opinion. I request
you to kindly let me know what grantams of pUrvAchAryas
you have studied in this context in traditional kAlashEpams
at the feet of ubhaya vEdAnta vidwAns. I will be grateful 
if you share with me about the details of your studies 
regarding prastAna trayam.

You wrote:
> svAmi piLLai lOkAchAryA does deal with this in
> srIvacanabhUsaNa and other granthAs. And the message
> is pretty clear that there can be no linkage between
> "our" act of surrendering and the "Lord's" mercy
> acting on us.

Could you please explain the following in the context of
your above words?
1. Why then there should be vidhi & nishEda vidhi vAkyams
in SAstra?
2. Why there are upAsanas prescribed in upanishads?
3. Why is prapatti prescribed to be done in SAstra?
4. If there is no linkage between "so called" "our" act
(of surrendering) and the "Lord's" mercy acting on us,
then why "few" gets HIS mercy and why "others" are in
samsAram? If it is mere "nirhEtuka krupA", then is the
Lord partial? Is he not having krupA? What is then krupA?
What is His vAtsalyam?
4. Is your same logic holding good even if "so called" "our"
act of nishidhda-karmAnushTAnam has no linkage with Lord's
nigraha sankalpam?
5. Please let me know your ideas about the pAratantriyam of jeevan,
the swAtantriyam of Lord , sAtvika-tyAgam, Jeeva's pratama pravruti,
Lord's mercy etc?
6. Please let me know the differences between sAdhyOpAyam and
sidhdOpAyam.

You wrote:
> His own discretion in sanctioning anything He 
> likes. We need not do anything to attain that. All
> that we need to know how to be a "man" in this 
> world. Take Lord Sri Rama as an example. He lived 
> like a real man, a Model Man, exemplifying His 
> whole life. And His life says ' if you live like 
> a real man, you will be worshiped here in this world 
> and nether worlds, as well.

Well. Is it possible for an ordinary man to live like SrI rAma?
Should one attempt to live like that? If no action of jeeva
has linkage to Lord's mercy, what is meaning of "attempting"
to live like this or anything? Ok. If one attempts to live or lives like
SrI rAma, then will the Lord show mercy on that Jeeva? If so,
then is it not contradicting your earlier statement?

If there is an point that mere non-performance (nivruthi) of SAdhyOpAyam 
(here bhakti as told in upanishads) is prapatti and if one should not
do anything to get the mercy of the Lord, then is it not possible to
consider this non-performance as reason (from jeeva's side) to
be the cause for Lord's mercy? Then are these consistent? Is there
a nishEda vidhi in SAstra like "do not do bhakti;", 
"do not do bharanyAsam"? Is there any SAstra pramANam to
brand the performance of sAdyOpAyam (bhakti/bharanyAsam)
as jeeva-swarUpa-virudhdam (against jeeva's swarUpam)?

You wrote:
> Please do not interpre the above as a complete 
> licence to do whatver one wants to do etc. The key
> point is that there can be no causal linkage between
> any of our actions and the Lord's mercy taking place.

Well, if you do not allow us to consider this as complete
license, then upto what limit you give us license? What is
the reason behind that "lesser-limit" license if at all there
is one? Are you merely writing these things based on anumAnams?
Even if one lives as per standards (what ever it may be), 
if his actions and the Lord's mercy have no linkage, then
what benefit he gets? If there is some benefit, then Lord's mercy
gets linked with jeevan's action. If there are no benefits (as you
say there is no linkage between jeevan's actions and Lord's mercy)
then what is the purpose of your "licensed" life? What difference it 
makes if one leads a chAruvAka life or something else? Please
explain these from a layman point of view. 

Please substantiate your points (point to point) with valid
authentic pramANAms that sAdhyOpAya-anushTAnam (bhakthi & bharanyAsam) 
must not be done to get Lord's mercy. Please substantiate your points with
valid authentic pramANAms that "there can be no causal linkage between
any of our actions and the Lord's mercy taking place."
Before that, please tell me your comprehension
of upAsana (bhakti) and bharanyAsam (sAnga prapadanam).

> Having said that, if one wants to lead a good life,
> there are numerous things prescribed by our
> AchAryAs from the sAstrAs, which one ought to follow.

The same question still remains. I do not think that you will give a
mere-emotional reply. I will be grateful if you give me an intellectual 
reply with appropriate mixture of emotions in it. I am sure that on 
reading my response, you would have clearly comprehended my lack of
knowledge in these subjects. Please pardon me for my ignorance.
Expecting your knowledgeable reply.  

Thanks & Regards
adiyEn,
M.S.HARI rAmAnuja dAsan (mshari@xxxx)





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