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Dear Bhagavatas:
There can be no comparison (or discussion in the same breath)between our 
time-tested, million year old (if not, billion year old) Sanatana Dharma and 
the new-found beliefs that have mushroomed in the past few hundred(may be, 
thousand) odd years. 

There is, perhaps, nothing that we have to learn from these that we do not find 
in our own Sanatana Dharma.

That is probably why, our great Achaaryas, who were very much aware (during 
their lifetime) of these so-called religions did not consider them as worthy of 
even a discussion let alone, criticizing on the lines of "Sata-dooshaNi" or 
"Para-mata-bhangam" dealing with other "Darsanas"

Again, another topic on which enough has been discussed!
May we close this discussion and move on?

Moderator
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Dear Sudarshan Swamy

I would say majority of Hindus consider treating
another religion as equivalent to treating another
person as an individual. If that is the case, Swami
Desikan would not have ventured for Sadadushani. And
we would not have got the tradition of Vidwat Sadas to
argue religion in the olden days. Swami Desikan went
on to condemn the so called other religions, but to me
both Christinity and Islam do not qualify even to be
called a religion they are rather a political force.

There are so much of written and spoken records of how
the early Christianity preachers were rebuffed at all
the weakness of their concepts in Varanasi and
elsewhere in India peacefully. Both are imperialistic
and exclusionist concept and for sure the concepts
do not stand a chance even in the present Western
Society of freedom and liberty (even though it is
understood at physical level). 

We don't hate any one for what religion /idiology they practise, 
but for sure we argue in search of weakness not only in their's 
but also to understand our own practices better. And that is
not the culture that these two so called religions practise.

I completely agree with Sri. Tatachar Swamy's point in
this regard. Only Desi's are confused and what was
alarming was one great Bhagawata who is highly
versatile  on Srivaishnavam, Veda, Upanishad,
Prabandam etc from "Natathur Ammal" family echoed the
same words that Sri. Sudarshan Swami was saying. I had
to talk the same language what Sri Tatachar Swamy
spelled here. 

I don't consider this as intolerance (if indeed that is 
what is implied), rather understanding of what is worth 
and rejection what is not worthy as food for the soul. 

And I do belive that is the intention of Swamy Desikan too.

Adiyen

Suresh

--- tatachar@xxxxxxx wrote:

> Dear Sriman Sudarshan,
> 
> If you don't mind the Bible calling you a heathen,
> eternally condemned 
> to hell
> if you don't accept Jesus and only Jesus as the
> truth and the way, 
> fine.
> I certainly mind, that is my call; just as your call
> to ignore that!
> Just ask the authentic followers of the Bible (not
> Gandhi or RK mission
> or confused desis) they will tell you the great
> truth it teaches you
> (You don't need the first two lines or the fourth
> line, upadexanti te 
> gnAnam!).
> 
> I certainly have nothing to do with a Book which
> tells me that my 
> ancestors
> including Nathamuni, Yamunamuni- all before them
> and after them (such as Ramanujacharya, Swami
> Deshikar et al.,
> who did not convert) are eternally in hell.
> 
> >>I believe there are plenty indeed to be found in
> all the great
> religious scriptures of the world.... including the
> Bible. <<
> 
> Certainly there are. I have read every word of the
> Bible
> and the Koran (the two staring to steer us!).
> So why believe? I know you can read;
> so it can be a matter of fact for you that they have
> good things in them. That is not the point.
> Do you believe that you may find something great
> in them which you have not found in your own?
> Do you know that they are (lot more) serious about
> their religion.
> You take it all or leave it all. I will not mix them
> in the religious
> context (I am not a Gandhian or running for
> office in India or anywhere, or waiting to be called
> what a good guy I am- atta boy!).
> Remember, when you look at scriptures which people
> swear by,
> you watch out more so for what is bad in them. After
> all we will not be
> hurt by what is good in them!
> 
> If you still want to hold on to your conviction, who
> am I to say
> it is incorrect. But the good news for you is that
> majority of
> Hindus (Indians) are with you- that is also the sad
> part!
> 
> dAsan
> 
> K.S. tAtAchAr
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sudarshan madabushi
> <mksudarshan2002@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: tatachar@xxxxxxx; tiruvenkatam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; 
> oppiliappan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx;
> srirangasri@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 07:39:21 +0000 (GMT)
> Subject: Re: [SriRangaSri] Re: [t'venkatam] Re:
> [ramanuja] sandhyaa 
> vandhanam - Bhishma's Answer
> 
>    Dear member,
> 
> Thank you for revealing the "ultra-platinum truth".
> 
> I have no desire for 'platinum' coating. Simple,
> unadulterated truths will do just fine. I believe
> there are plenty indeed to be found in all the great
> religious scriptures of the world.... including the
> Bible. If you don't mind, I shall stand by what I
> wrote.
> 
> Best regards,
> dAsan,
> Sudarshan
> 
> 
> --- tatachar@xxxxxxx wrote:
> 
> > Dear Sriman Sudarshan,
> >
> > Please don't dilute your great message.
> > >>  How much good was accomplished by him indeed.
> > Jesus lived for a mere 33 years<<
> > You ar eright. If he had lived for 100 years,
> > probably we would have been told
> > much earlier that we are devil worshippers
> condemned
> > to eternal hell!
> > The ultra platinum truth is that we need to treat
> > others as they
> > deserve to be treated!
> >
> > dAsan
> >
> > K.S. tAtAchAr
> 
> 
> 
> 
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