--- "I.V.K. CHARY" <ivkchary@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 16:36:58 +0100 (BST) > From: "I.V.K. CHARY" <ivkchary@xxxxxxxxxxx> > Subject: Re: [t'venkatam] "Ordeal by Fire" - The > case for 'sitA-pirAtti'- (PART 2) > To: mksudarshan2002@xxxxxxxxxxx, sadagopaniyengar > <sadagopaniyengar@xxxxxxxx> > CC: Ramanujam TVSR <acharyatvsr@xxxxxxxxxxx> > > Sriman Sudharsan & Sriman Sadagopan Iyengar Swamins, > > Both the Learned Counsels are coming up with > interesting, serious and thought-provoking arguments > in support of their "chosen" Litigants. I pray for > the pardon of both Rambiran and Sitapiratti for my > calling them Litigants after all it is the Learned > Cousels who have chosen to make them so not the > otherway. > > As a By-stander, I would like to put my own > unscholarly plea to both of you with a request to > consider its merits against your own most scholarly > standards. > > In my humble opinion, there are 3 scenarios; > > Scenario 1 - Rama and Sita as the Divya Dampathy, > the Parabrahmam Sriman Narayana > > Scenario 2 - Rama and Sita as humans in this > Prakruthi Mandala actring as humans having discarded > their role as Parabrahmam for the sake of this > Avathara. > > Scenario 3 - Rama and Sita as the hero and herioine > of a great epic scripted by the Poet Valmiki. > > Scenerio 1: > > The question of "Traditionalists" and > "Non-Traditionalists" divisions comes into play only > if the so-called dispute both the learned cousels > are arguing about is sene from Scenario 1. > Otherwise it is irrelevant. If we view Rama and Sita > as the Parabrahmam, there is absolutely no need for > them to come down to earth and go through all these > motions just to finish off one Ravana together with > his entourage on this earth. They are capable and > have the title of "Aghatithe Ghatana Samarthargal". > They went through all this ordeal just to fulfil > someone else's commitment/boon seems to be a plea > the learned cousels may come up with. Then take > whatever that has happened as part of it and there > ends the argument. As Parabrahmam a mere "Sankalpa" > is enough to creat Pralaya and Laya . When that > being the case, the question of coming down to > Prakruthi Mandala and spending Millenniums just to > fulfil someoneelse' s commitment/boon appears to be > too much. If the Avathara Karana is to eliminate > Ravana, there appears to be no plausible reason for > both Rama and Seetha to continue in Prakruthi > mandala for centuries post-Ravana Samhara period. > They should have returned to their abode after their > accomplishment as there appears to be no specific > requirement for their presence on this prakruthi > again to fulful yet another commitment/boon of again > someoneelse. This appears to be precisely what has > happened in the Avatharas prior to Parasurama. > > So, the Learned Cousels should make their opening > statements very clearly as to how they view their > clients, as Parabrahmam or their mere mortal > clients. > > Scenario 2 > > Rama and Sita are mere mortals on this earth, having > set aside their permanent positions as Prabrahmam > for a while. Then, this dispute has to be seen as > mere mortals. The learned counsels are not supposed > to bring in their arguments issuing/expected > conduct/pre or current or post Avathara > commitments/commandments made by them. The > arguments have to be limited to their conduct during > this Avathara as mere mortals and are to be measured > as per the Dharmas applicable to their time period > (Threthaa Yuga). Basing arguments on their conduct > in relation to present day dharmas or the comitments > made by them to each other or to third parties does > not appear to be relevant to this dispute being > argued now. > > Scenario 3 > > Rama and Sita are mere characters created by the > Poet Valmiki in his great epic Ramayana. If these > are mere characters, then the Learned Cousels must > place their arguments supporting or opposing the > characterisation given by the Poet Valmiki. I do not > understand the reason for dragging in Rama or Sita > or even Parabrahmam into this dispute. They are the > most helpless souls (no offence meant for them, > rather I am arguing their case since I now consider > them all as my clients, if you wish to call me > Amicus Curie) caught in the arguments between the > Learned Cousels who by their own choice selected to > don the robes of Pleaders and also chosen on their > own the "Jury" of Tiruvengadam Group Members. > > Any way I am enjoying the arguments and > counter-arguments from both the Learned Counsels. A > word of caution/request to both Learned Counsels, > please put forth your pleas very clearly as to how > you would like us, both as Amicus Curie ( I have > arrogated myself to take this role) or as Jury, to > view your arguments in realtion to the above said 3 > Scenarios. They are ofcourse most welcome to come > up with another Scenario too as Scenrio 4 if they > find one. > > Now go ahead with your arguments. > > Wishing you good "argumenting" (I guess this is my > own coinage for which kindly excuse me and if such a > word already exists please fogive me for my > ignorance) times > > Dasan > IVK CHARY ________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! India Careers: Over 65,000 jobs online Go to: http://yahoo.naukri.com/ ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/VkWolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! 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