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Dear Bhagavatas:
As the postings are drifting into a discussion for which "Sri Ranga Sri" is NOT THE FORUM,
further mails on the subject may not be posted to Sri Ranga Sri UNLESS they contain authentic authority from the "Satvic" sources specifically mentioned in the original mail in support of Prapannas attending such Poojas.
 
You may carry on the discussions through private mails, if you wish.
Thank you for your understanding and co-operation.

My replies to  the points raised by darshana iyer are given in Red color for your information.
Dasoham
Anbil Ramaswamy
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> Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 06:04:09 +0100
> From: darshanaiyer@xxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [SriRangaSri] Reg: Ayyappa, Durga, Sathyanarayana Poojas
> To: srirangasri@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> CC: ramanbil@xxxxxxxxxxx
>
> Sir,
>
> I am well aware of your erudition and scholarship and
> also of your prapannatvam. But a few doubts bother me
> reading this mail of yours.
 
Thank you for your kind words and for presenting your doubts.
>
> Since you yourself say in your mail - "As a Prapanna,
> I do not involve myself in all these Poojas and I have
> firm and unshakeable faith in Sriman Narayana who
> ALONE can grant “moksha”." - I fail to understand why
> you seek information from any scripture regarding
> these pujas.
 
This is to provide authentic answers with adequate PramaaNams
to Bhagavatas who raise these questions genuinely.
>
> Moreover, why should any Bhagavatha or Vaishnava be
> bothered about doubts regarding these pujas or
> anything else that has anything to do with any deity
> other than Sriman Narayana since they too, as
> Prapannas, have submitted themselves wholly at the
> Charanakamalam of Sriman Narayana. Prapannas need not
> be concerned at all.
 
You are correct. No true Srivaishnava who is a Prapanna will bother about these.
>
> But this leads me to another question. When Sriman
> Narayana is Sarvavyapi and Sarvabhutantaratma, why not
> see and worship the same Sriman Narayana as the
> Antaryamin in Ayyappa or Durga or Sathyanarayana or
> any other deity?
 
This is FAQ that has been raised and answered many times.
The correct position as per Srivaishnava siddhantam is that Prapannas should NOT bow
to them even as "Antharyaami" unless specially permitted in the Vedas (for exmple, in Sandhya Vandanam which is Veda mantram, we recite the names of "Brahma deivatyaam", "Rudra Deivatyaam" etc.)
 
In all other cases, we are not supposed to take liberties and do vandanam to these other devatas even by default (marandum puram thozhaa  maandar) under the pretext that they have Sriman Narayana as their Antharyaami. This is because for the somewhat less evolved persons with an impressionable mind, this might become a tempting next logical step to the doubt and consequently the belief that these demigods may be capable of granting "mOksham" - forgetting thet they are incapable of granting mOKsham (pvaram tara miDukkillaada tEvar) thus forfeiting the fruits of their Prapatti to Bhagavaan Sriman Narayana.
 
A Prapanna is like a Sumngali wedded to Sriman Narayana.
Acharyas used to say that it is like a wife telling her husband that she thinks of him only even while flirting with someone else!
 
> By the way, what makes Sathyanarayana any different
> from Sriman Narayana? As far as I know, He is
> nondifferent from Sriman Narayana. Even in the puja
> kalpam and puja katha, he is described as Sriman
> Narayana. If Sathyanarayana is different from Sriman
> Narayana, how is it that archanam is performed with
> either Krishnashtotram or Vishnu Sahasranamam.
 
To lend an aura of authenticity, the votaries would always call any of their "IshTa devatas" as Sriman Narayana. That Rama Ashtottaram and KrishNa AshTottaram are recited does not mean they are sancioned in the Vedas etc. or that these Poojas are any more authentic. This Sathyanarayana has been mentioned and that too only casually and in passing in "Skaanda PuraaNam" which is considered to be one of the least authoritative Taamasa PuraaNams. Strict Srivaishnavas who have understood the position, therefore, do not give credence to the stories and the Pooja Vidanams subsequntly built around these legends and do not observe them.
 
Hope this clarifies. If you have any further questions, please send your mails to my personal id and NOT to "Sri Ranga Sri" where they will not be approved as a matter of policy.
Anbil Ramaswamy
 
 
> Regards,
> Sudarshana Arya
>
> --- Ram Anbil <Ramanbil@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> > Dear Bhagavatas: Recently, I was invited by some
> > good and well meaning friends to attend the
> > following Poojas
> >
> > Ayyappa Pooja:
> > (With wearing of “maalai”, black colored Dhoti etc
> > and reciting “SaamiyE Saranam Ayyappa”)
> >
> > Durga Pooja: (Bengali style)
> > (With Durga depicted as killing “Mahishasura”)
> >
> > Sathyanarayana Pooja: (Maharashtra style)
> > (With reading the story of Sathyanarayana and how
> > non performance of the Pooja will affect the non
> > believers etc)
> >
> > As a Prapanna, I do not involve myself in all these
> > Poojas and I have firm and unshakeable faith in
> > Sriman Narayana who ALONE can grant “moksha”.
> >
> > I would like to know from the erudite scholars in
> > the group whether there are any references
> > authorising observance of these Poojas in the
> > - Vedas,
> > - Upanishads,
> > - Itihaasas
> > - “Saatvic” PuraaNas
> > - Azhwars
> > - and / or any directions of SrivaishNava Achaarya
> > Parampara
> > (right from Nathamunigal to present day Achaaryas).
> >
> > If so, I will be obliged to have the EXACT QUOTES
> > from these scriptures.
> >
> > If they are not in any of the above, I would like to
> > know where exactly they have been referred to in our
> > scriptures that lend an aura of authenticity, if
> > any.
> >
> > As these doubts seem to have been bothering other
> > Bhagavatas also as seen from their frequently asked
> > questions, I am presenting them for your well
> > researched clarifications.
> >
> > Thanking you in advance
> >
> > Dasoham
> > Anbil Ramaswamy
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
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