[percy-l] gays, biblical authority and Percy's language theory --
Mike Frentz
mfrentz at bbn.com
Fri Aug 15 16:04:04 EDT 2003
Karey,
re your first question -- this paper was "discovered" yesterday and floated
on the peirce-l list (though the paper is four years old, I wasn't aware of
it either and I'm a big fan of Deacon). Interesting coupling of the
"reproductive properties" of memes in terms of semiosis (interpretant
spawning yet another sign).
Terrence W. Deacon, Memes as Signs
http://www.chass.utoronto.ca/epc/srb/srb/10-3edit.html
Unfortunately the two other books he comments on as upcoming in "Note 10"
still aren't to be found. Floyd Merrel's 1997 book on Peirce, Signs, and
Meaning is also quite an interesting read in this area.
re the second question -- I personally think this whole notion is
irrelevant, as long as the triangle is interpreted by the area rather than
the edges, all vertices are connected to the other two, a dyadic
relationships aren't necessarily implied to me by this. I find it
interesting that Peirce doesn't really seem to have used either notation in
his various descriptions of the same concepts (at least not in the
Collected Papers), yet he his existential graphs are nothing less than a
graphical computer. BTW, a *great* reference for anyone attempting to surf
the CP on their own is
<http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0253337364/qid=1060976640/sr=1-2/ref=sr_1_2/104-6625231-4959935?v=glance&s=books>Charles
S. Peirce's Philosophy of Signs: Essays in Comparative Semiotics (Advances
in Semiotics)
by Gerard Deledalle, 2001 (Deledalle, a French philosopher who did much to
bring CSP to Europe's attention, just died a few months back). Like having
a Fodor's to the CSP wilderness (I think WP would have loved to have had
this book)
I find it striking how different research is today because of the web vs.
when Percy was working this a little over a decade ago (per Ketner's Thief
of Peirce dialogues). Also, a lot of work has been done in this area since
his death.
re the third question: I dunno? I'd be interested if you do find the
reference. I have on occasion started to look up Langer's work but came
away with the impression that she had drifted so far off in less Pe*rc*an
directions that aren't of particular interest to me that I've never
followed through on what it was that Percy was fond of in Langer's work wrt
CSP's legacy.
Best,
Mike
At 03:24 PM 8/15/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>No -- I'm certainly no moderator! But I am fascinated by the fact that
>gays and Biblical authority have garnered so much response, but Percy's
>language theory doesn't get much interest? There's so much he left
>unfinished and so much to investigate. If he had lived longer, I think
>something tremendous might have come out of it -- like, the answer to,
>what is the interpretant? He died before he could solve it.
>
>So, here's what I would discuss if I had the choice...
>
>What is the interpretant?
>
>Why did he use triangles instead of triads, even when a good argument was
>given against it?
>
>What did Susanne Langer drop that he picked up? (I believe he says what
>it is in one place, but I lost it somewhere)
>
>KP
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <mailto:PARLINS at culver.org>Parlin, Steven
>To: <mailto:percy-l at lists.ibiblio.org>'Percy-L: Literary and Philosophical
>Discussion'
>Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 10:52 PM
>Subject: RE: [percy-l] West Wing
>
>Hmmm...
>
>Because some of my replies that contradict Karey are not showing up in my
>inbox, I assumed (wrongly it seems) that I had angered her (isn't she the
>moderator?), and that she was preventing my postings from going to the list.
>
>
>I owe you an all an apology...but especially Karey.
>
>Please forgive my presumption.
>
>I'm an ass.
>
>Steve
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: David Alan Beck [mailto:dabeck at iupui.edu]
>Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 9:45 PM
>To: Percy-L: Literary and Philosophical Discussion
>Subject: Re: [percy-l] West Wing
>
>
>Steve,
>Why are we getting triplicates of your posting??
>-DB
>
>On Thu, 14 Aug 2003, Parlin, Steven wrote:
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>David Beck
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