From riz_banu at hotmail.com Wed Mar 10 07:48:09 2010 From: riz_banu at hotmail.com (rizwana banu) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 18:18:09 +0530 Subject: [percy-l] Lancelot In-Reply-To: <003b01cab651$20e25330$62a6f990$@net> References: <8fc0cea21002251008mcd02581y9a864dbeb22de217@mail.gmail.com>, , <003b01cab651$20e25330$62a6f990$@net> Message-ID: I am trying to understand the South in its myriad images. What is the South? From: karey1 at charter.net To: percy-l at lists.ibiblio.org Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 14:31:29 -0500 Subject: Re: [percy-l] Lancelot Now that I think of it, there were two really great books out in this century comparing Percy to other authors: Paul Elie?s ?The Life You Save May be Your Own: An American Pilgrimage? discusses Percy, O?Connor, Merton, and Dorothy Day. Lamar Nisley?s ?Impossible to Say: Representing Religious Mystery in Fiction by Malamud, Percy, Ozick and O?Connor? Both good. Karey From: percy-l-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org [mailto:percy-l-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Charles Lowry Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2010 1:29 PM To: Percy-L: Literary and Philosophical Discussion Subject: Re: [percy-l] lancelot I am neither professional nor expert, but here are a couple thoughts. The first writer that comes to mind for me as similar to Percy is Richard Ford. It is interesting that the first two novels in his trilogy both show remarkable indebetness to The Moviegoer. In the first, The Sportswriter, the similarities are verbal and situational. In the second, Independence Day, the similarity is thematic, that alienation is addressed through the search. Regarding the O'Connor-Percy question, I am reading now a book by John D. Sykes Jr.: Flannery O'Connor, Walker Percy, and the Aesthetic of Revelation. He makes the point that Percy and O'Connor are both writing in the post-Faulkner, post-Lost Great Cause era of Southern literature, and to replace that ideal, they turn to a literature of community and religion, but turn to it in different ways. O'Connor aims toward a build-up, toward a "climactic image" intended to effect contemplation, not conversation. Percy preferred the way of search and dialogue, internal and external, to engage his readers. Thoughts from a very snowy Brooklyn. Chuck Lowry On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 1:08 PM, Graham Culbertson wrote: Rizwana, I've found John Barth's first two novels (The Floating Opera and The End of the Road) to have a great many similarities to Percy's novels. An essay that links them negatively, which I haven't actually had a chance to read, is: Bradbury, John M. "Absurd Insurrection: The Barth-Percy Affair." South Atlantic Quarterly 68 (Summer 1969): 319-29 Graham Culbertson -- An archive of all list discussion is available at http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/percy-l/ Visit the Walker Percy Project at http://www.ibiblio.org/wpercy _________________________________________________________________ The latest songs, trailers and more http://video.in.msn.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rhonda_mcdonnell at msn.com Thu Mar 11 15:36:03 2010 From: rhonda_mcdonnell at msn.com (RHONDA MCDONNELL) Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 13:36:03 -0700 Subject: [percy-l] Lancelot In-Reply-To: References: <8fc0cea21002251008mcd02581y9a864dbeb22de217@mail.gmail.com>, , , , <003b01cab651$20e25330$62a6f990$@net>, Message-ID: Geographically, it's the part of the US south of the Mason-Dixon line. However, the southwest isn't culturally Southern in the way the southeast is. For ease of reference, use the states that were part of the Confederacy to get your geographical bearing. Some good books that will help you get hold of cultural values: Pretty much anything by Betram Wyatt-Brown; The Mind of the South by W. J. Cash; The Mind of the South 50 Years Later by Bruce Clayton et. al, Writing the South by Richard Gray; and Lanterns on the Levee by William Alexander Percy --Rhonda "You live in a deranged age, more deranged than usual, because in spite of great scientific and technological advances, man has not the faintest idea of who he is or what he is doing." Walker Percy From: riz_banu at hotmail.com To: percy-l at lists.ibiblio.org Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 18:18:09 +0530 Subject: Re: [percy-l] Lancelot I am trying to understand the South in its myriad images. What is the South? From: karey1 at charter.net To: percy-l at lists.ibiblio.org Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 14:31:29 -0500 Subject: Re: [percy-l] Lancelot Now that I think of it, there were two really great books out in this century comparing Percy to other authors: Paul Elie?s ?The Life You Save May be Your Own: An American Pilgrimage? discusses Percy, O?Connor, Merton, and Dorothy Day. Lamar Nisley?s ?Impossible to Say: Representing Religious Mystery in Fiction by Malamud, Percy, Ozick and O?Connor? Both good. Karey From: percy-l-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org [mailto:percy-l-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Charles Lowry Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2010 1:29 PM To: Percy-L: Literary and Philosophical Discussion Subject: Re: [percy-l] lancelot I am neither professional nor expert, but here are a couple thoughts. The first writer that comes to mind for me as similar to Percy is Richard Ford. It is interesting that the first two novels in his trilogy both show remarkable indebetness to The Moviegoer. In the first, The Sportswriter, the similarities are verbal and situational. In the second, Independence Day, the similarity is thematic, that alienation is addressed through the search. Regarding the O'Connor-Percy question, I am reading now a book by John D. Sykes Jr.: Flannery O'Connor, Walker Percy, and the Aesthetic of Revelation. He makes the point that Percy and O'Connor are both writing in the post-Faulkner, post-Lost Great Cause era of Southern literature, and to replace that ideal, they turn to a literature of community and religion, but turn to it in different ways. O'Connor aims toward a build-up, toward a "climactic image" intended to effect contemplation, not conversation. Percy preferred the way of search and dialogue, internal and external, to engage his readers. Thoughts from a very snowy Brooklyn. Chuck Lowry On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 1:08 PM, Graham Culbertson wrote: Rizwana, I've found John Barth's first two novels (The Floating Opera and The End of the Road) to have a great many similarities to Percy's novels. An essay that links them negatively, which I haven't actually had a chance to read, is: Bradbury, John M. "Absurd Insurrection: The Barth-Percy Affair." South Atlantic Quarterly 68 (Summer 1969): 319-29 Graham Culbertson -- An archive of all list discussion is available at http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/percy-l/ Visit the Walker Percy Project at http://www.ibiblio.org/wpercy All the latest on four wheels and more Get it now. _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469227/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rhonda_mcdonnell at msn.com Thu Mar 11 15:37:12 2010 From: rhonda_mcdonnell at msn.com (RHONDA MCDONNELL) Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 13:37:12 -0700 Subject: [percy-l] Lancelot In-Reply-To: References: <8fc0cea21002251008mcd02581y9a864dbeb22de217@mail.gmail.com>, ,,, , , <003b01cab651$20e25330$62a6f990$@net>, , , Message-ID: that should be Bertram Wyatt-Brown --Rhonda "You live in a deranged age, more deranged than usual, because in spite of great scientific and technological advances, man has not the faintest idea of who he is or what he is doing." Walker Percy From: rhonda_mcdonnell at msn.com To: percy-l at lists.ibiblio.org Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 13:36:03 -0700 Subject: Re: [percy-l] Lancelot Geographically, it's the part of the US south of the Mason-Dixon line. However, the southwest isn't culturally Southern in the way the southeast is. For ease of reference, use the states that were part of the Confederacy to get your geographical bearing. Some good books that will help you get hold of cultural values: Pretty much anything by Betram Wyatt-Brown; The Mind of the South by W. J. Cash; The Mind of the South 50 Years Later by Bruce Clayton et. al, Writing the South by Richard Gray; and Lanterns on the Levee by William Alexander Percy --Rhonda "You live in a deranged age, more deranged than usual, because in spite of great scientific and technological advances, man has not the faintest idea of who he is or what he is doing." Walker Percy From: riz_banu at hotmail.com To: percy-l at lists.ibiblio.org Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 18:18:09 +0530 Subject: Re: [percy-l] Lancelot I am trying to understand the South in its myriad images. What is the South? From: karey1 at charter.net To: percy-l at lists.ibiblio.org Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 14:31:29 -0500 Subject: Re: [percy-l] Lancelot Now that I think of it, there were two really great books out in this century comparing Percy to other authors: Paul Elie?s ?The Life You Save May be Your Own: An American Pilgrimage? discusses Percy, O?Connor, Merton, and Dorothy Day. Lamar Nisley?s ?Impossible to Say: Representing Religious Mystery in Fiction by Malamud, Percy, Ozick and O?Connor? Both good. Karey From: percy-l-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org [mailto:percy-l-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Charles Lowry Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2010 1:29 PM To: Percy-L: Literary and Philosophical Discussion Subject: Re: [percy-l] lancelot I am neither professional nor expert, but here are a couple thoughts. The first writer that comes to mind for me as similar to Percy is Richard Ford. It is interesting that the first two novels in his trilogy both show remarkable indebetness to The Moviegoer. In the first, The Sportswriter, the similarities are verbal and situational. In the second, Independence Day, the similarity is thematic, that alienation is addressed through the search. Regarding the O'Connor-Percy question, I am reading now a book by John D. Sykes Jr.: Flannery O'Connor, Walker Percy, and the Aesthetic of Revelation. He makes the point that Percy and O'Connor are both writing in the post-Faulkner, post-Lost Great Cause era of Southern literature, and to replace that ideal, they turn to a literature of community and religion, but turn to it in different ways. O'Connor aims toward a build-up, toward a "climactic image" intended to effect contemplation, not conversation. Percy preferred the way of search and dialogue, internal and external, to engage his readers. Thoughts from a very snowy Brooklyn. Chuck Lowry On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 1:08 PM, Graham Culbertson wrote: Rizwana, I've found John Barth's first two novels (The Floating Opera and The End of the Road) to have a great many similarities to Percy's novels. An essay that links them negatively, which I haven't actually had a chance to read, is: Bradbury, John M. "Absurd Insurrection: The Barth-Percy Affair." South Atlantic Quarterly 68 (Summer 1969): 319-29 Graham Culbertson -- An archive of all list discussion is available at http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/percy-l/ Visit the Walker Percy Project at http://www.ibiblio.org/wpercy All the latest on four wheels and more Get it now. Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. Sign up now. _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469228/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kennenathens at verizon.net Thu Mar 11 16:15:36 2010 From: kennenathens at verizon.net (Ken Armstrong) Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 16:15:36 -0500 Subject: [percy-l] Lancelot In-Reply-To: References: <8fc0cea21002251008mcd02581y9a864dbeb22de217@mail.gmail.com>, , , , <003b01cab651$20e25330$62a6f990$@net>, Message-ID: <4B995D78.7030804@verizon.net> Richard M. Weaver addresses this explicitly in some of his books, e.g. The Southern Essays of Richard M Weaver. Did anyone mention "I'll Take My Stand"? Ken A RHONDA MCDONNELL wrote: > Geographically, it's the part of the US south of the Mason-Dixon line. > However, the southwest isn't culturally Southern in the way the > southeast is. For ease of reference, use the states that were part of > the Confederacy to get your geographical bearing. > > Some good books that will help you get hold of cultural values: > Pretty much anything by Betram Wyatt-Brown; The Mind of the South by > W. J. Cash; The Mind of the South 50 Years Later by Bruce Clayton et. > al, Writing the South by Richard Gray; and Lanterns on the Levee by > William Alexander Percy > > > --Rhonda > > "You live in a deranged age, more deranged than usual, because in > spite of great scientific and technological advances, man has not the > faintest idea of who he is or what he is doing." > > Walker Percy > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > From: riz_banu at hotmail.com > To: percy-l at lists.ibiblio.org > Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 18:18:09 +0530 > Subject: Re: [percy-l] Lancelot > > I am trying to understand the South in its myriad images. What is the > South? > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > From: karey1 at charter.net > To: percy-l at lists.ibiblio.org > Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 14:31:29 -0500 > Subject: Re: [percy-l] Lancelot > > Now that I think of it, there were two really great books out in this > century comparing Percy to other authors: > > > > Paul Elie?s ?The Life You Save May be Your Own: An American > Pilgrimage? discusses Percy, O?Connor, Merton, and Dorothy Day. > > > > Lamar Nisley?s ?Impossible to Say: Representing Religious Mystery in > Fiction by Malamud, Percy, Ozick and O?Connor? > > > > Both good. > > > > Karey > > > > *From:* percy-l-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org > [mailto:percy-l-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org] *On Behalf Of *Charles Lowry > *Sent:* Thursday, February 25, 2010 1:29 PM > *To:* Percy-L: Literary and Philosophical Discussion > *Subject:* Re: [percy-l] lancelot > > > > I am neither professional nor expert, but here are a couple thoughts. > > > > The first writer that comes to mind for me as similar to Percy is > Richard Ford. It is interesting that the first two novels in his > trilogy both show remarkable indebetness to The Moviegoer. In the > first, The Sportswriter, the similarities are verbal and situational. > In the second, Independence Day, the similarity is thematic, that > alienation is addressed through the search. > > > > Regarding the O'Connor-Percy question, I am reading now a book by John > D. Sykes Jr.: Flannery O'Connor, Walker Percy, and the Aesthetic of > Revelation. He makes the point that Percy and O'Connor are both > writing in the post-Faulkner, post-Lost Great Cause era of Southern > literature, and to replace that ideal, they turn to a literature of > community and religion, but turn to it in different ways. O'Connor > aims toward a build-up, toward a "climactic image" intended to effect > contemplation, not conversation. Percy preferred the way of search > and dialogue, internal and external, to engage his readers. > > Thoughts from a very snowy Brooklyn. > > > > Chuck Lowry > > > > > On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 1:08 PM, Graham Culbertson > > wrote: > > Rizwana, I've found John Barth's first two novels (The Floating Opera > and The End of the Road) to have a great many similarities to Percy's > novels. An essay that links them negatively, which I haven't actually > had a chance to read, is: > > Bradbury, John M. "Absurd Insurrection: The Barth-Percy Affair." South > Atlantic Quarterly 68 (Summer 1969): 319-29 > > Graham Culbertson > > -- > An archive of all list discussion is available at > http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/percy-l/ > > Visit the Walker Percy Project at http://www.ibiblio.org/wpercy > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > All the latest on four wheels and more Get it now. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. Sign up now. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > -- > An archive of all list discussion is available at http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/percy-l/ > > Visit the Walker Percy Project at http://www.ibiblio.org/wpercy > From karey1 at charter.net Thu Mar 11 16:20:56 2010 From: karey1 at charter.net (Karey Perkins) Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 16:20:56 -0500 Subject: [percy-l] Lancelot In-Reply-To: <4B995D78.7030804@verizon.net> References: <8fc0cea21002251008mcd02581y9a864dbeb22de217@mail.gmail.com>, , , , <003b01cab651$20e25330$62a6f990$@net>, <4B995D78.7030804@verizon.net> Message-ID: <00b101cac160$bd651520$382f3f60$@net> Yes, I was thinking that as well: "I'll Take my Stand" How about some good ole' Faulkner? Look at clash between old south and new in "A Rose for Miss Emily." Faulkner conveys the south through fiction quite well. Karey -----Original Message----- From: percy-l-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org [mailto:percy-l-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Ken Armstrong Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 4:16 PM To: Percy-L at lists.ibiblio.org:Literary and Philosophical Discussion Subject: Re: [percy-l] Lancelot Richard M. Weaver addresses this explicitly in some of his books, e.g. The Southern Essays of Richard M Weaver. Did anyone mention "I'll Take My Stand"? Ken A RHONDA MCDONNELL wrote: > Geographically, it's the part of the US south of the Mason-Dixon line. > However, the southwest isn't culturally Southern in the way the > southeast is. For ease of reference, use the states that were part of > the Confederacy to get your geographical bearing. > > Some good books that will help you get hold of cultural values: > Pretty much anything by Betram Wyatt-Brown; The Mind of the South by > W. J. Cash; The Mind of the South 50 Years Later by Bruce Clayton et. > al, Writing the South by Richard Gray; and Lanterns on the Levee by > William Alexander Percy > > > --Rhonda > > "You live in a deranged age, more deranged than usual, because in > spite of great scientific and technological advances, man has not the > faintest idea of who he is or what he is doing." > > Walker Percy > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > From: riz_banu at hotmail.com > To: percy-l at lists.ibiblio.org > Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 18:18:09 +0530 > Subject: Re: [percy-l] Lancelot > > I am trying to understand the South in its myriad images. What is the > South? > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > From: karey1 at charter.net > To: percy-l at lists.ibiblio.org > Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 14:31:29 -0500 > Subject: Re: [percy-l] Lancelot > > Now that I think of it, there were two really great books out in this > century comparing Percy to other authors: > > > > Paul Elie's "The Life You Save May be Your Own: An American > Pilgrimage" discusses Percy, O'Connor, Merton, and Dorothy Day. > > > > Lamar Nisley's "Impossible to Say: Representing Religious Mystery in > Fiction by Malamud, Percy, Ozick and O'Connor" > > > > Both good. > > > > Karey > > > > *From:* percy-l-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org > [mailto:percy-l-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org] *On Behalf Of *Charles Lowry > *Sent:* Thursday, February 25, 2010 1:29 PM > *To:* Percy-L: Literary and Philosophical Discussion > *Subject:* Re: [percy-l] lancelot > > > > I am neither professional nor expert, but here are a couple thoughts. > > > > The first writer that comes to mind for me as similar to Percy is > Richard Ford. It is interesting that the first two novels in his > trilogy both show remarkable indebetness to The Moviegoer. In the > first, The Sportswriter, the similarities are verbal and situational. > In the second, Independence Day, the similarity is thematic, that > alienation is addressed through the search. > > > > Regarding the O'Connor-Percy question, I am reading now a book by John > D. Sykes Jr.: Flannery O'Connor, Walker Percy, and the Aesthetic of > Revelation. He makes the point that Percy and O'Connor are both > writing in the post-Faulkner, post-Lost Great Cause era of Southern > literature, and to replace that ideal, they turn to a literature of > community and religion, but turn to it in different ways. O'Connor > aims toward a build-up, toward a "climactic image" intended to effect > contemplation, not conversation. Percy preferred the way of search > and dialogue, internal and external, to engage his readers. > > Thoughts from a very snowy Brooklyn. > > > > Chuck Lowry > > > > > On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 1:08 PM, Graham Culbertson > > wrote: > > Rizwana, I've found John Barth's first two novels (The Floating Opera > and The End of the Road) to have a great many similarities to Percy's > novels. An essay that links them negatively, which I haven't actually > had a chance to read, is: > > Bradbury, John M. "Absurd Insurrection: The Barth-Percy Affair." South > Atlantic Quarterly 68 (Summer 1969): 319-29 > > Graham Culbertson > > -- > An archive of all list discussion is available at > http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/percy-l/ > > Visit the Walker Percy Project at http://www.ibiblio.org/wpercy > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > All the latest on four wheels and more Get it now. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. Sign up now. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > -- > An archive of all list discussion is available at http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/percy-l/ > > Visit the Walker Percy Project at http://www.ibiblio.org/wpercy > -- An archive of all list discussion is available at http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/percy-l/ Visit the Walker Percy Project at http://www.ibiblio.org/wpercy No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2735 - Release Date: 03/11/10 02:33:00 From karey1 at charter.net Tue Mar 16 16:55:31 2010 From: karey1 at charter.net (Karey Perkins) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 16:55:31 -0400 Subject: [percy-l] Percy's Jefferson lecture - LIVE (a few years later) on C-SPAN Message-ID: <006b01cac54b$05b35ba0$111a12e0$@net> http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/id/159052 C-span has released its archives and they are now all available online. Here's Percy's Jefferson Lecture, the last speech he gave, a year before he died. Printed version in "Signposts in a Strange Land." Drafts of the lecture in the "A Thief of Peirce" - Percy's letters to Ken Ketner. Thought the Percy list would enjoy this! Enjoy! Karey -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From msexton at emory.edu Tue Mar 16 17:59:21 2010 From: msexton at emory.edu (Sexton, Melissa) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 17:59:21 -0400 Subject: [percy-l] Percy's Jefferson lecture - LIVE (a few years later) on C-SPAN In-Reply-To: <006b01cac54b$05b35ba0$111a12e0$@net> References: <006b01cac54b$05b35ba0$111a12e0$@net> Message-ID: Thanks for posting this. Since I wrote about this speech in my dissertation, I have often tried to hear him deliver sections of it. Now, I can. Melissa D. Sexton, M.Div., L.M.F.T., Ph.D. Community Research Fellow Transforming Community Project Emory University 1599 Clifton Rd. Suite 6-323 Mailstop: 1599-001-1AL Atlanta, GA 30322 404-712-1274 (O) 678-640-2726 (C) http://transform.emory.edu/ ________________________________________ From: percy-l-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org [percy-l-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Karey Perkins [karey1 at charter.net] Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 4:55 PM To: 'Percy-L: Literary and Philosophical Discussion' Subject: [percy-l] Percy's Jefferson lecture - LIVE (a few years later) on C-SPAN http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/id/159052 C-span has released its archives and they are now all available online. Here?s Percy?s Jefferson Lecture, the last speech he gave, a year before he died. Printed version in ?Signposts in a Strange Land.? Drafts of the lecture in the ?A Thief of Peirce? ? Percy?s letters to Ken Ketner. Thought the Percy list would enjoy this! Enjoy! Karey This e-mail message (including any attachments) is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this message (including any attachments) is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please contact the sender by reply e-mail message and destroy all copies of the original message (including attachments). From karey1 at charter.net Thu Mar 18 10:36:32 2010 From: karey1 at charter.net (Karey Perkins) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 10:36:32 -0400 Subject: [percy-l] Any LOST lovers out there? Message-ID: <002301cac6a8$67831650$368942f0$@net> http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20061211173105/lostpedia/images/1/18/L ancelot_Sawyer.JPG Why is Sawyer reading Walker Percy's Lancelot? Deeper symbolic meaning anyone? Lost often puts significant books in the scenes, having characters read them. There are others - think this is the only Percy book. Karey -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anesthesia240 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 18 19:26:24 2010 From: anesthesia240 at yahoo.com (Robert OConnor) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 16:26:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [percy-l] Any LOST lovers out there? Message-ID: <964320.39095.qm@web59312.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Well,just an anecdote, and, unfortunately, I can't answer your question, but when I spotted this photo I?was roped into? Lost.? That was sometime in season 4 and I've been watching the series since but never have seen the episode which showed Sawyer reading Lancelot. If I had to hazard a guess I would say the writers cited Percy because of his overall themes of good, evil, existentialism and generous helpings of symbolism rather then the specific novel. Sawyer's character is a rascally con man with a way with the ladies which wouldn't fit the character in the novel. Hurley's character has logged time in a mental institute but his traits wouldn't fit either. A long shot is the competition between Jack and Sawyer for the hand of Kate mirroring Arthur, Lancelot and Guinevere and the writers plucked the book for the title not the content. As an aside, the only book the show has revealed to me so far is The Invention of Morel by Adolfo Bioy Casares which centers on a remote island with strange goings-on and a murky sense of reality.Bob --- On Thu, 3/18/10, Karey Perkins wrote: From: Karey Perkins Subject: [percy-l] Any LOST lovers out there? To: "'Percy-L: Literary and Philosophical Discussion'" Date: Thursday, March 18, 2010, 10:36 AM ? Why is Sawyer reading Walker Percy?s Lancelot?? Deeper symbolic meaning anyone? ? Lost often puts significant books in the scenes, having characters read them.? There are others ? think this is the only Percy book. ? Karey -----Inline Attachment Follows----- -- An archive of all list discussion is available at http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/percy-l/ Visit the Walker Percy Project at http://www.ibiblio.org/wpercy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karey1 at charter.net Thu Mar 18 19:53:29 2010 From: karey1 at charter.net (Karey Perkins) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 19:53:29 -0400 Subject: [percy-l] Any LOST lovers out there? In-Reply-To: <964320.39095.qm@web59312.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <964320.39095.qm@web59312.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00af01cac6f6$35d6bb40$a18431c0$@net> http://fieldingonfilm.com/wp/?p=781 http://weheartthis.com/2010/01/28/lost-required-reading/ For interested Lost lovers, above are two links which go through the books seen/read on the show, and possible meanings. Note #6 in the second link ? another possible meaning for Lancelot being on the show, though I like your suppositions Bob ? the triangle is big in Lancelot, and Kate, Sawyer and Jack form a triangle throughout. BTW, ?Watership Down? was on the latest episode ? with pundits guessing various meanings based on content. I think sometimes think it?s more simple than that. Sawyer went on a submarine ? a watership down ? in this last episode... Here?s the other speculation as to why Sawyer is reading Lost, from the second link above: 6. Lancelot by Walker Percy Like most of the books seen on Lost, this one is being read by Sawyer. On Wikipedia: The 1977 novel ?tells the story of the dejected lawyer Lancelot Lamar, who murders his wife after discovering that he is not the father of her youngest daughter. He ends up in a mental institution, where his story is told through his reflections on his disturbing past. The novel compares the protagonist unfavorably to his namesake, Sir Lancelot, as he experiences a vision of an empty modern American culture which invokes the symbolism of the mythical Wasteland. Lamar?s quest to expose this moral emptiness is a transposition of the quest for the Holy Grail; as he witnesses and records the increasing moral depravity of his wife and daughter during the filming of a Hollywood movie, he becomes obsessed with and corrupted by the immorality he seeks to condemn. The novel is replete with Arthurian references and references, including characters based on Merlin and Percival.? Maybe this book has some connections to Sawyer?s parents. You know the fact that Locke?s dad conned Sawyer?s mom, took the family money, and then abandoned her. In retribution, Sawyer?s dad killed his mom and then himself, leaving a revenge-seeking Sawyer behind. Karey From: percy-l-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org [mailto:percy-l-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Robert OConnor Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 7:26 PM To: Percy-L: Literary and Philosophical Discussion Subject: Re: [percy-l] Any LOST lovers out there? Well,just an anecdote, and, unfortunately, I can't answer your question, but when I spotted this photo I was roped into Lost. That was sometime in season 4 and I've been watching the series since but never have seen the episode which showed Sawyer reading Lancelot. If I had to hazard a guess I would say the writers cited Percy because of his overall themes of good, evil, existentialism and generous helpings of symbolism rather then the specific novel. Sawyer's character is a rascally con man with a way with the ladies which wouldn't fit the character in the novel. Hurley's character has logged time in a mental institute but his traits wouldn't fit either. A long shot is the competition between Jack and Sawyer for the hand of Kate mirroring Arthur, Lancelot and Guinevere and the writers plucked the book for the title not the content. As an aside, the only book the show has revealed to me so far is The Invention of Morel by Adolfo Bioy Casares which centers on a remote island with strange goings-on and a murky sense of reality.Bob --- On Thu, 3/18/10, Karey Perkins wrote: From: Karey Perkins Subject: [percy-l] Any LOST lovers out there? To: "'Percy-L: Literary and Philosophical Discussion'" Date: Thursday, March 18, 2010, 10:36 AM http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20061211173105/lostpedia/images/1/18/Lancelot_Sawyer.JPG Why is Sawyer reading Walker Percy?s Lancelot? Deeper symbolic meaning anyone? Lost often puts significant books in the scenes, having characters read them. There are others ? think this is the only Percy book. Karey -----Inline Attachment Follows----- -- An archive of all list discussion is available at http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/percy-l/ Visit the Walker Percy Project at http://www.ibiblio.org/wpercy No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.791 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2754 - Release Date: 03/18/10 15:33:00 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karey1 at charter.net Thu Mar 18 19:56:26 2010 From: karey1 at charter.net (Karey Perkins) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 19:56:26 -0400 Subject: [percy-l] Any LOST lovers out there? In-Reply-To: <00af01cac6f6$35d6bb40$a18431c0$@net> References: <964320.39095.qm@web59312.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <00af01cac6f6$35d6bb40$a18431c0$@net> Message-ID: <00ba01cac6f6$9f29c650$dd7d52f0$@net> Sorry, that should be the first link that the paragraph on Lancelot (#6) below is from. BTW, Flannery O?Connor is #32? Karey From: percy-l-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org [mailto:percy-l-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Karey Perkins Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 7:53 PM To: 'Percy-L: Literary and Philosophical Discussion' Subject: Re: [percy-l] Any LOST lovers out there? http://fieldingonfilm.com/wp/?p=781 http://weheartthis.com/2010/01/28/lost-required-reading/ For interested Lost lovers, above are two links which go through the books seen/read on the show, and possible meanings. Note #6 in the second link ? another possible meaning for Lancelot being on the show, though I like your suppositions Bob ? the triangle is big in Lancelot, and Kate, Sawyer and Jack form a triangle throughout. BTW, ?Watership Down? was on the latest episode ? with pundits guessing various meanings based on content. I think sometimes think it?s more simple than that. Sawyer went on a submarine ? a watership down ? in this last episode... Here?s the other speculation as to why Sawyer is reading Lost, from the second link above: 6. Lancelot by Walker Percy Like most of the books seen on Lost, this one is being read by Sawyer. On Wikipedia: The 1977 novel ?tells the story of the dejected lawyer Lancelot Lamar, who murders his wife after discovering that he is not the father of her youngest daughter. He ends up in a mental institution, where his story is told through his reflections on his disturbing past. The novel compares the protagonist unfavorably to his namesake, Sir Lancelot, as he experiences a vision of an empty modern American culture which invokes the symbolism of the mythical Wasteland. Lamar?s quest to expose this moral emptiness is a transposition of the quest for the Holy Grail; as he witnesses and records the increasing moral depravity of his wife and daughter during the filming of a Hollywood movie, he becomes obsessed with and corrupted by the immorality he seeks to condemn. The novel is replete with Arthurian references and references, including characters based on Merlin and Percival.? Maybe this book has some connections to Sawyer?s parents. You know the fact that Locke?s dad conned Sawyer?s mom, took the family money, and then abandoned her. In retribution, Sawyer?s dad killed his mom and then himself, leaving a revenge-seeking Sawyer behind. Karey From: percy-l-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org [mailto:percy-l-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Robert OConnor Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 7:26 PM To: Percy-L: Literary and Philosophical Discussion Subject: Re: [percy-l] Any LOST lovers out there? Well,just an anecdote, and, unfortunately, I can't answer your question, but when I spotted this photo I was roped into Lost. That was sometime in season 4 and I've been watching the series since but never have seen the episode which showed Sawyer reading Lancelot. If I had to hazard a guess I would say the writers cited Percy because of his overall themes of good, evil, existentialism and generous helpings of symbolism rather then the specific novel. Sawyer's character is a rascally con man with a way with the ladies which wouldn't fit the character in the novel. Hurley's character has logged time in a mental institute but his traits wouldn't fit either. A long shot is the competition between Jack and Sawyer for the hand of Kate mirroring Arthur, Lancelot and Guinevere and the writers plucked the book for the title not the content. As an aside, the only book the show has revealed to me so far is The Invention of Morel by Adolfo Bioy Casares which centers on a remote island with strange goings-on and a murky sense of reality.Bob --- On Thu, 3/18/10, Karey Perkins wrote: From: Karey Perkins Subject: [percy-l] Any LOST lovers out there? To: "'Percy-L: Literary and Philosophical Discussion'" Date: Thursday, March 18, 2010, 10:36 AM http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20061211173105/lostpedia/images/1/18/Lancelot_Sawyer.JPG Why is Sawyer reading Walker Percy?s Lancelot? Deeper symbolic meaning anyone? Lost often puts significant books in the scenes, having characters read them. There are others ? think this is the only Percy book. Karey -----Inline Attachment Follows----- -- An archive of all list discussion is available at http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/percy-l/ Visit the Walker Percy Project at http://www.ibiblio.org/wpercy No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.791 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2754 - Release Date: 03/18/10 15:33:00 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.791 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2754 - Release Date: 03/18/10 15:33:00 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: