From hhw3h at virginia.edu Thu Mar 1 00:53:10 2012 From: hhw3h at virginia.edu (Harry Whelchel) Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2012 00:53:10 -0500 Subject: [percy-l] New Member Greeting Message-ID: <55BBDCC1-3CB4-4B3C-AFD5-CD4E450AEC63@virginia.edu> My name is Harry Whelchel and I am a 4th year at the University of Virginia majoring in Religious Studies and Economics. I am currently taking a class in our Religious Studies department taught by Prof. Bill Wilson and Prof. Vigen Guroian on the subject of Walker Percy and Flannery O'Connor. So far we have read The Loss of the Creature, Metaphor as Mistake, The Message in the Bottle, and Lancelot by Percy. We have read essays from O'Connor's Mystery and Manners as well as her first novel Wise Blood. I am interested in Percy to learn more about his works of fiction, philosophy, and the conversation surrounding him. Recently I wrote a paper on Lancelot detailing how the process itself of sharing his story with Percival allows Lancelot to apprehend narrative's power to convey sovereign experience. I then argued this apprehension changes the world view Lancelot had developed and leads Lancelot to be open to the possibility of God's existence (yet Percy leaves the reader uncertain as to whether Lancelot will accept or reject God's existence). The exercise of writing on Lancelot, a difficult work that I am sure I still do not fully grasp, led me to search for more academic resources on Percy. So I decided to join this listserv. Best, Harry Whelchel -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From RGray at montreat.edu Thu Mar 1 08:16:33 2012 From: RGray at montreat.edu (Gray, Rich) Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2012 08:16:33 -0500 Subject: [percy-l] New Member Greeting References: <55BBDCC1-3CB4-4B3C-AFD5-CD4E450AEC63@virginia.edu> Message-ID: <2D23159DDD6D7F47A4CB955F81FD38FA0A590C@e3kmail.montreat.edu> Harry Whelchel, I have been fascinated by connections between O'Connor and Percy. Their careers barely overlapped, running mainly end-to-end. They met once at a conference at Loyola, New Orleans. Percy alluded often to O'Connor as successfully bridging to a broad, religiously skeptical readership, and Percy claimed-correctly I believe-that he had drawn from O'Connor's poetics. You might look at Rich Gray, "Walker Percy's Appeal to Searchers: The Last Gentleman and The Second Coming," by Rich Gray, Christian Scholars Review, 41:1 (fall 2011) 15-34. You have tackled a complex novel in Lancelot. It stands apart from Percy's other work, in that Lance's 200 page harangue reveals his spiritual lostness, without much interest in Christianity or religious faith of any sort. The artful conclusion can support your thesis, with references to Percy's essays. Percy's interviews should also shed light: Lewis Lawson and Victor Kramer, eds., Conversations with Walker Percy (Jackson: U. Mississippi Press, 1985), and More Conversations with Walker Percy, same editors and publisher, 1993. From: percy-l-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org [mailto:percy-l-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Harry Whelchel Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2012 12:53 AM To: percy-l at lists.ibiblio.org Subject: [percy-l] New Member Greeting My name is Harry Whelchel and I am a 4th year at the University of Virginia majoring in Religious Studies and Economics. I am currently taking a class in our Religious Studies department taught by Prof. Bill Wilson and Prof. Vigen Guroian on the subject of Walker Percy and Flannery O'Connor. So far we have read The Loss of the Creature, Metaphor as Mistake, The Message in the Bottle, and Lancelot by Percy. We have read essays from O'Connor's Mystery and Manners as well as her first novel Wise Blood. I am interested in Percy to learn more about his works of fiction, philosophy, and the conversation surrounding him. Recently I wrote a paper on Lancelot detailing how the process itself of sharing his story with Percival allows Lancelot to apprehend narrative's power to convey sovereign experience. I then argued this apprehension changes the world view Lancelot had developed and leads Lancelot to be open to the possibility of God's existence (yet Percy leaves the reader uncertain as to whether Lancelot will accept or reject God's existence). The exercise of writing on Lancelot, a difficult work that I am sure I still do not fully grasp, led me to search for more academic resources on Percy. So I decided to join this listserv. Best, Harry Whelchel -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From randyattwood at hotmail.com Thu Mar 1 13:34:56 2012 From: randyattwood at hotmail.com (Randy Attwood) Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2012 12:34:56 -0600 Subject: [percy-l] Note I received from Walker Percy In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Percy fans may be interested in a note I received from him six months before his death regarding my manuscript. http://www.randyattwood.blogspot.com/2011/09/note-from-walker-percy-about-41st.html Randy Attwood > From: percy-l-request at lists.ibiblio.org > Subject: Percy-L Digest, Vol 91, Issue 1 > To: percy-l at lists.ibiblio.org > Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 12:01:30 -0500 > > Send Percy-L mailing list submissions to > percy-l at lists.ibiblio.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/percy-l > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > percy-l-request at lists.ibiblio.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > percy-l-owner at lists.ibiblio.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Percy-L digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Greetings new members (Henry Mills III) > 2. Re: Greetings new members (janet cantor) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 16:09:54 -0500 > From: Henry Mills III > Subject: [percy-l] Greetings new members > To: percy-l at lists.ibiblio.org > Message-ID: <4F4D42A2.5080905 at henrymills.info> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > We've had five new Percy-L members join recently. Anyone care to share > something about themselves and their interest in Percy? All are welcome > to and we are glad to have you join the list! > > Best, > Henry Mills > Percy-L Manager > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 14:29:15 -0800 (PST) > From: janet cantor > Subject: Re: [percy-l] Greetings new members > To: henry at henrymills.info, "Percy-L: Literary and Philosophical > Discussion" > Message-ID: > <1330468155.64681.YahooMailClassic at web125906.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > As I write I am more than half finished with Jay Tolson's biography of Walker Percy, Pilgrim in the Ruins. I can't begin to tell you how much I am enjoying this book and I recommend it to any Percy lover who hasn't read it yet. > When I was at Loyola for the conference, Tolson was the keynote speaker and he impressed me so much with his wit and knowledge that I knew I had to read his book. I am learning much about the South that I never knew and of course about the books Percy wrote. > Welcome to the Lists and let us hear from you, please. > Janet Cantor > > We've had five new Percy-L members join recently.? Anyone care to share > something about themselves and their interest in Percy? 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URL: From joshuaemrich at yahoo.com Thu Mar 1 15:24:54 2012 From: joshuaemrich at yahoo.com (joshua emrich) Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2012 12:24:54 -0800 (PST) Subject: [percy-l] Note I received from Walker Percy In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1330633494.66986.YahooMailNeo@web45102.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> I love the "everybody in the south is writing a novel". Im reading "love in the ruins". Too preachy. Good points and Ideas, but not much as a novel. ________________________________ From: Randy Attwood To: Walker Percy list Sent: Thursday, March 1, 2012 10:34 AM Subject: [percy-l] Note I received from Walker Percy Percy fans may be interested in a note I received from him six months before his death regarding my manuscript. http://www.randyattwood.blogspot.com/2011/09/note-from-walker-percy-about-41st.html? Randy Attwood > From: percy-l-request at lists.ibiblio.org > Subject: Percy-L Digest, Vol 91, Issue 1 > To: percy-l at lists.ibiblio.org > Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 12:01:30 -0500 > > Send Percy-L mailing list submissions to > percy-l at lists.ibiblio.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/percy-l > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > percy-l-request at lists.ibiblio.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > percy-l-owner at lists.ibiblio.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Percy-L digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Greetings new members (Henry Mills III) > 2. Re: Greetings new members (janet cantor) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 16:09:54 -0500 > From: Henry Mills III > Subject: [percy-l] Greetings new members > To: percy-l at lists.ibiblio.org > Message-ID: <4F4D42A2.5080905 at henrymills.info> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > We've had five new Percy-L members join recently. Anyone care to share > something about themselves and their interest in Percy? All are welcome > to and we are glad to have you join the list! > > Best, > Henry Mills > Percy-L Manager > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 14:29:15 -0800 (PST) > From: janet cantor > Subject: Re: [percy-l] Greetings new members > To: henry at henrymills.info, "Percy-L: Literary and Philosophical > Discussion" > Message-ID: > <1330468155.64681.YahooMailClassic at web125906.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > As I write I am more than half finished with Jay Tolson's biography of Walker Percy, Pilgrim in the Ruins. I can't begin to tell you how much I am enjoying this book and I recommend it to any Percy lover who hasn't read it yet. > When I was at Loyola for the conference, Tolson was the keynote speaker and he impressed me so much with his wit and knowledge that I knew I had to read his book. I am learning much about the South that I never knew and of course about the books Percy wrote. > Welcome to the Lists and let us hear from you, please. > Janet Cantor > > We've had five new Percy-L members join recently.? Anyone care to share > something about themselves and their interest in Percy? All are welcome > to and we are glad to have you join the list! > > Best, > Henry Mills > Percy-L Manager > -- > An archive of all list discussion is available at http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/percy-l/ > > Visit The Walker Percy Project at http://www.ibiblio.org/wpercy > > Contact the moderator: percy-l-owner at lists.ibiblio.org (note: add @ sign when addressing email) > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/percy-l/attachments/20120228/d42999d1/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Percy-L mailing list > Percy-L at lists.ibiblio.org > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/percy-l > > > End of Percy-L Digest, Vol 91, Issue 1 > ************************************** -- An archive of all list discussion is available at http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/percy-l/ Visit The Walker Percy Project at http://www.ibiblio.org/wpercy Contact the moderator: percy-l-owner at lists.ibiblio.org (note: add @ sign when addressing email) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jp at jlarsp.com Thu Mar 1 15:43:49 2012 From: jp at jlarsp.com (John Pearson) Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2012 14:43:49 -0600 Subject: [percy-l] Note I received from Walker Percy In-Reply-To: <1330633494.66986.YahooMailNeo@web45102.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <1330633494.66986.YahooMailNeo@web45102.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <82BF7943-F133-4DA4-A0F1-FF1F8335407E@jlarsp.com> Interesting. Preachy is the last word I'd ever use to describe Love in the Ruins. I've always thought of it as one of the funniest novels I've ever read. On Mar 1, 2012, at 2:24 PM, joshua emrich wrote: > I love the "everybody in the south is writing a novel". Im reading "love in the ruins". Too preachy. Good points and Ideas, but not much as a novel. > > From: Randy Attwood > To: Walker Percy list > Sent: Thursday, March 1, 2012 10:34 AM > Subject: [percy-l] Note I received from Walker Percy > > Percy fans may be interested in a note I received from him six months before his death regarding my manuscript. > > http://www.randyattwood.blogspot.com/2011/09/note-from-walker-percy-about-41st.html > > Randy Attwood > > > From: percy-l-request at lists.ibiblio.org > > Subject: Percy-L Digest, Vol 91, Issue 1 > > To: percy-l at lists.ibiblio.org > > Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 12:01:30 -0500 > > > > Send Percy-L mailing list submissions to > > percy-l at lists.ibiblio.org > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/percy-l > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > percy-l-request at lists.ibiblio.org > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > percy-l-owner at lists.ibiblio.org > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > > than "Re: Contents of Percy-L digest..." > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. Greetings new members (Henry Mills III) > > 2. Re: Greetings new members (janet cantor) > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 16:09:54 -0500 > > From: Henry Mills III > > Subject: [percy-l] Greetings new members > > To: percy-l at lists.ibiblio.org > > Message-ID: <4F4D42A2.5080905 at henrymills.info> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > > > We've had five new Percy-L members join recently. Anyone care to share > > something about themselves and their interest in Percy? All are welcome > > to and we are glad to have you join the list! > > > > Best, > > Henry Mills > > Percy-L Manager > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 2 > > Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 14:29:15 -0800 (PST) > > From: janet cantor > > Subject: Re: [percy-l] Greetings new members > > To: henry at henrymills.info, "Percy-L: Literary and Philosophical > > Discussion" > > Message-ID: > > <1330468155.64681.YahooMailClassic at web125906.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > As I write I am more than half finished with Jay Tolson's biography of Walker Percy, Pilgrim in the Ruins. I can't begin to tell you how much I am enjoying this book and I recommend it to any Percy lover who hasn't read it yet. > > When I was at Loyola for the conference, Tolson was the keynote speaker and he impressed me so much with his wit and knowledge that I knew I had to read his book. I am learning much about the South that I never knew and of course about the books Percy wrote. > > Welcome to the Lists and let us hear from you, please. > > Janet Cantor > > > > We've had five new Percy-L members join recently.? Anyone care to share > > something about themselves and their interest in Percy? All are welcome > > to and we are glad to have you join the list! > > > > Best, > > Henry Mills > > Percy-L Manager > > -- > > An archive of all list discussion is available at http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/percy-l/ > > > > Visit The Walker Percy Project at http://www.ibiblio.org/wpercy > > > > Contact the moderator: percy-l-owner at lists.ibiblio.org (note: add @ sign when addressing email) > > -------------- next part -------------- > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > URL: http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/percy-l/attachments/20120228/d42999d1/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Percy-L mailing list > > Percy-L at lists.ibiblio.org > > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/percy-l > > > > > > End of Percy-L Digest, Vol 91, Issue 1 > > ************************************** > > -- > An archive of all list discussion is available at http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/percy-l/ > > Visit The Walker Percy Project at http://www.ibiblio.org/wpercy > > Contact the moderator: percy-l-owner at lists.ibiblio.org (note: add @ sign when addressing email) > > > -- > An archive of all list discussion is available at http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/percy-l/ > > Visit The Walker Percy Project at http://www.ibiblio.org/wpercy > > Contact the moderator: percy-l-owner at lists.ibiblio.org (note: add @ sign when addressing email) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dabeck at iupui.edu Thu Mar 1 22:12:33 2012 From: dabeck at iupui.edu (Beck, David A) Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2012 22:12:33 -0500 Subject: [percy-l] New Member Greeting In-Reply-To: <55BBDCC1-3CB4-4B3C-AFD5-CD4E450AEC63@virginia.edu> References: <55BBDCC1-3CB4-4B3C-AFD5-CD4E450AEC63@virginia.edu> Message-ID: <20120301221233.snhec1ziaswoco0w@webmail.iu.edu> Harry, Another way of reading Lancelot is to see Fr. John as the main character (my students have a hard time at first seeing this). He is the one who really changes. He moves from a crisis in faith (not wearing his "priest clothes" at the beginning and refusing to pray for the the dead, etc.) to redemption (wearing his priest clothes, turning from the window and looking at Lance eye-to-eye (intersubjectivity) and taking a parish in Alabama). Frankly, I don't see that much change in Lance. And, what change I do see, isn't good. As for someone's comment about LIR being too preachy: I'd like to hear in what way. I just re-read it over the summer for the I-don't-know-how-many-times and have never seen it (or any of his novels) as "preachy." If fact, most my students "miss" the Christianity part (I've only taught The Moviegoer, Love in the Ruins, and Lancelot (the latter goes over the best)). Good to see some discussion again! -David Quoting Harry Whelchel : > My name is Harry Whelchel and I am a 4th year at the University of > Virginia majoring in Religious Studies and Economics. I am currently > taking a class in our Religious Studies department taught by Prof. > Bill Wilson and Prof. Vigen Guroian on the subject of Walker Percy > and Flannery O'Connor. So far we have read The Loss of the Creature, > Metaphor as Mistake, The Message in the Bottle, and Lancelot by > Percy. We have read essays from O'Connor's Mystery and Manners as > well as her first novel Wise Blood. > > I am interested in Percy to learn more about his works of fiction, > philosophy, and the conversation surrounding him. Recently I wrote a > paper on Lancelot detailing how the process itself of sharing his > story with Percival allows Lancelot to apprehend narrative's power to > convey sovereign experience. I then argued this apprehension changes > the world view Lancelot had developed and leads Lancelot to be open > to the possibility of God's existence (yet Percy leaves the reader > uncertain as to whether Lancelot will accept or reject God's > existence). > > The exercise of writing on Lancelot, a difficult work that I am sure > I still do not fully grasp, led me to search for more academic > resources on Percy. So I decided to join this listserv. > > Best, > > Harry Whelchel From larsonovic at gmail.com Fri Mar 2 13:51:22 2012 From: larsonovic at gmail.com (larsonovic at gmail.com) Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2012 18:51:22 +0000 Subject: [percy-l] Lance and Percival In-Reply-To: Message-ID: David, Interesting take. If Percival is not the main character, he is certainly the moving one. Lance is used, I think, as diagnostician for what ails the world, though his prescriptions are generally dangerous. It is perhaps through Lance's preaching about what is wrong that Percival seems to return to his priestly vocation, by which he can administer the appropriate remedies. In that sense the book is much preachier than any of the other novels, I think, and especially more so than LIR. The reason that Lancelot can get away with its overt preachiness is that the sermons come from an unstable mind and roll off the tongue of unbelief. Best, Mike Larson On , percy-l-request at lists.ibiblio.org wrote: > Send Percy-L mailing list submissions to > percy-l at lists.ibiblio.org > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/percy-l > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > percy-l-request at lists.ibiblio.org > You can reach the person managing the list at > percy-l-owner at lists.ibiblio.org > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Percy-L digest..." > Today's Topics: > 1. Re: New Member Greeting (Beck, David A) > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2012 22:12:33 -0500 > From: "Beck, David A" dabeck at iupui.edu> > Subject: Re: [percy-l] New Member Greeting > To: percy-l at lists.ibiblio.org > Message-ID: 20120301221233.snhec1ziaswoco0w at webmail.iu.edu> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" > Harry, > Another way of reading Lancelot is to see Fr. John as the main > character (my students have a hard time at first seeing this). He is > the one who really changes. He moves from a crisis in faith (not > wearing his "priest clothes" at the beginning and refusing to pray for > the the dead, etc.) to redemption (wearing his priest clothes, turning > from the window and looking at Lance eye-to-eye (intersubjectivity) and > taking a parish in Alabama). > Frankly, I don't see that much change in Lance. And, what change I do > see, isn't good. > As for someone's comment about LIR being too preachy: I'd like to hear > in what way. I just re-read it over the summer for the > I-don't-know-how-many-times and have never seen it (or any of his > novels) as "preachy." If fact, most my students "miss" the Christianity > part (I've only taught The Moviegoer, Love in the Ruins, and Lancelot > (the latter goes over the best)). > Good to see some discussion again! > -David > Quoting Harry Whelchel hhw3h at virginia.edu>: > > My name is Harry Whelchel and I am a 4th year at the University of > > Virginia majoring in Religious Studies and Economics. I am currently > > taking a class in our Religious Studies department taught by Prof. > > Bill Wilson and Prof. Vigen Guroian on the subject of Walker Percy > > and Flannery O'Connor. So far we have read The Loss of the Creature, > > Metaphor as Mistake, The Message in the Bottle, and Lancelot by > > Percy. We have read essays from O'Connor's Mystery and Manners as > > well as her first novel Wise Blood. > > > > I am interested in Percy to learn more about his works of fiction, > > philosophy, and the conversation surrounding him. Recently I wrote a > > paper on Lancelot detailing how the process itself of sharing his > > story with Percival allows Lancelot to apprehend narrative's power to > > convey sovereign experience. I then argued this apprehension changes > > the world view Lancelot had developed and leads Lancelot to be open > > to the possibility of God's existence (yet Percy leaves the reader > > uncertain as to whether Lancelot will accept or reject God's > > existence). > > > > The exercise of writing on Lancelot, a difficult work that I am sure > > I still do not fully grasp, led me to search for more academic > > resources on Percy. So I decided to join this listserv. > > > > Best, > > > > Harry Whelchel > ------------------------------ > _______________________________________________ > Percy-L mailing list > Percy-L at lists.ibiblio.org > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/percy-l > End of Percy-L Digest, Vol 92, Issue 3 > ************************************** -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ssanders20 at austin.rr.com Fri Mar 2 14:54:49 2012 From: ssanders20 at austin.rr.com (Suzanne Sanders) Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2012 13:54:49 -0600 Subject: [percy-l] New Member Greeting References: <55BBDCC1-3CB4-4B3C-AFD5-CD4E450AEC63@virginia.edu> <20120301221233.snhec1ziaswoco0w@webmail.iu.edu> Message-ID: <1D8377D4920F41D6891E158CC52729E8@homes12quk9a85> I would like to respectfully request to have my e-mail removed at this time from the Walker Percy discussion list. Thank you for helping me! Suzanne at ssanders20 at austin.rr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Beck, David A" To: Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2012 9:12 PM Subject: Re: [percy-l] New Member Greeting > Harry, > > Another way of reading Lancelot is to see Fr. John as the main > character (my students have a hard time at first seeing this). He is > the one who really changes. He moves from a crisis in faith (not > wearing his "priest clothes" at the beginning and refusing to pray for > the the dead, etc.) to redemption (wearing his priest clothes, turning > from the window and looking at Lance eye-to-eye (intersubjectivity) and > taking a parish in Alabama). > > Frankly, I don't see that much change in Lance. And, what change I do > see, isn't good. > > As for someone's comment about LIR being too preachy: I'd like to hear > in what way. I just re-read it over the summer for the > I-don't-know-how-many-times and have never seen it (or any of his > novels) as "preachy." If fact, most my students "miss" the Christianity > part (I've only taught The Moviegoer, Love in the Ruins, and Lancelot > (the latter goes over the best)). > > Good to see some discussion again! > > -David > > Quoting Harry Whelchel : > >> My name is Harry Whelchel and I am a 4th year at the University of >> Virginia majoring in Religious Studies and Economics. I am currently >> taking a class in our Religious Studies department taught by Prof. >> Bill Wilson and Prof. Vigen Guroian on the subject of Walker Percy >> and Flannery O'Connor. So far we have read The Loss of the Creature, >> Metaphor as Mistake, The Message in the Bottle, and Lancelot by >> Percy. We have read essays from O'Connor's Mystery and Manners as >> well as her first novel Wise Blood. >> >> I am interested in Percy to learn more about his works of fiction, >> philosophy, and the conversation surrounding him. Recently I wrote a >> paper on Lancelot detailing how the process itself of sharing his >> story with Percival allows Lancelot to apprehend narrative's power to >> convey sovereign experience. I then argued this apprehension changes >> the world view Lancelot had developed and leads Lancelot to be open >> to the possibility of God's existence (yet Percy leaves the reader >> uncertain as to whether Lancelot will accept or reject God's >> existence). >> >> The exercise of writing on Lancelot, a difficult work that I am sure >> I still do not fully grasp, led me to search for more academic >> resources on Percy. So I decided to join this listserv. >> >> Best, >> >> Harry Whelchel > > > > -- > An archive of all list discussion is available at > http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/percy-l/ > > Visit The Walker Percy Project at http://www.ibiblio.org/wpercy > > Contact the moderator: percy-l-owner at lists.ibiblio.org (note: add @ > sign when addressing email) From olmsy at me.com Fri Mar 2 14:55:58 2012 From: olmsy at me.com (Elizabeth Olmstead) Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2012 13:55:58 -0600 Subject: [percy-l] New Member Greeting In-Reply-To: <1D8377D4920F41D6891E158CC52729E8@homes12quk9a85> References: <55BBDCC1-3CB4-4B3C-AFD5-CD4E450AEC63@virginia.edu> <20120301221233.snhec1ziaswoco0w@webmail.iu.edu> <1D8377D4920F41D6891E158CC52729E8@homes12quk9a85> Message-ID: <335BF386-965A-4982-8C6F-F389FC74FF59@me.com> Please remove my email from this list! On Mar 2, 2012, at 1:54 PM, Suzanne Sanders wrote: > I would like to respectfully request to have my e-mail removed at this time > from the Walker Percy discussion list. Thank you for helping me! Suzanne > at ssanders20 at austin.rr.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Beck, David A" > To: > Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2012 9:12 PM > Subject: Re: [percy-l] New Member Greeting > > >> Harry, >> >> Another way of reading Lancelot is to see Fr. John as the main >> character (my students have a hard time at first seeing this). He is >> the one who really changes. He moves from a crisis in faith (not >> wearing his "priest clothes" at the beginning and refusing to pray for >> the the dead, etc.) to redemption (wearing his priest clothes, turning >> from the window and looking at Lance eye-to-eye (intersubjectivity) and >> taking a parish in Alabama). >> >> Frankly, I don't see that much change in Lance. And, what change I do >> see, isn't good. >> >> As for someone's comment about LIR being too preachy: I'd like to hear >> in what way. I just re-read it over the summer for the >> I-don't-know-how-many-times and have never seen it (or any of his >> novels) as "preachy." If fact, most my students "miss" the Christianity >> part (I've only taught The Moviegoer, Love in the Ruins, and Lancelot >> (the latter goes over the best)). >> >> Good to see some discussion again! >> >> -David >> >> Quoting Harry Whelchel : >> >>> My name is Harry Whelchel and I am a 4th year at the University of >>> Virginia majoring in Religious Studies and Economics. I am currently >>> taking a class in our Religious Studies department taught by Prof. >>> Bill Wilson and Prof. Vigen Guroian on the subject of Walker Percy >>> and Flannery O'Connor. So far we have read The Loss of the Creature, >>> Metaphor as Mistake, The Message in the Bottle, and Lancelot by >>> Percy. We have read essays from O'Connor's Mystery and Manners as >>> well as her first novel Wise Blood. >>> >>> I am interested in Percy to learn more about his works of fiction, >>> philosophy, and the conversation surrounding him. Recently I wrote a >>> paper on Lancelot detailing how the process itself of sharing his >>> story with Percival allows Lancelot to apprehend narrative's power to >>> convey sovereign experience. I then argued this apprehension changes >>> the world view Lancelot had developed and leads Lancelot to be open >>> to the possibility of God's existence (yet Percy leaves the reader >>> uncertain as to whether Lancelot will accept or reject God's >>> existence). >>> >>> The exercise of writing on Lancelot, a difficult work that I am sure >>> I still do not fully grasp, led me to search for more academic >>> resources on Percy. So I decided to join this listserv. >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> Harry Whelchel >> >> >> >> -- >> An archive of all list discussion is available at >> http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/percy-l/ >> >> Visit The Walker Percy Project at http://www.ibiblio.org/wpercy >> >> Contact the moderator: percy-l-owner at lists.ibiblio.org (note: add @ >> sign when addressing email) > > -- > An archive of all list discussion is available at http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/percy-l/ > > Visit The Walker Percy Project at http://www.ibiblio.org/wpercy > > Contact the moderator: percy-l-owner at lists.ibiblio.org (note: add @ sign when addressing email) From jhforest at gmail.com Tue Mar 27 07:39:22 2012 From: jhforest at gmail.com (Jim Forest) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2012 13:39:22 +0200 Subject: [percy-l] Brent Short on Walker Percy Message-ID: http://www.openroadmedia.com/blog/2012-03-26/Critical-Symposium-Brent-Short-on-Walker-Percy.aspx Critical Symposium: Brent Short on Walker Percy *Monday, March 26, 2012 by Brent Short * *[image: Walker Percy]Open Road?s Critical Symposiumreturns this week with a new series focusing on the great Southern novelist Walker Percy . The central theme of Percy?s work was the decline of religion and spirituality in modern society. We?ve therefore asked our contributors to discuss this aspect of Percy?s work and how he handled questions of faith in his own life. * *We begin with an essay by Brent Short, who conducted an in-depth interviewwith Percy in 1990 after the publication of *The Thanatos Syndrome *. In his essay, Short describes how he became interested in Percy?s work and what it was like to meet him in person. What follows is a lucid examination of the profound spiritual questions that haunted Percy?s writing. As always, we invite you to join the discussion in the comments section below. * *** In 1989, the year before Walker Percy?s death, I interviewed him at the Henley Park Hotel in Washington, DC, the day before he was to give his Jefferson Lecture of the National Endowment of the Humanities. I previously had briefly met him at a book signing at Kramer Books on DuPont Circle in Washington, DC, where I was living at the time. I was immediately struck by how shrunken and frail he looked the second time round?at first I actually wondered if I had the right person. He didn?t look entirely well. To me he already had ?that look,? but as soon as he spoke, that Southern-inflected voice that came through in his writing was right there. [image: Pull Quote]With people queued all the way out into the street, in the fifteen seconds I had to say something catchy or clever at the book signing, all I could come up with was that I had already read the book (twice actually) and liked it. As he was signing my copy of *The Thanatos Syndrome* he seemed almost surprised and pleased to hear that, and when I remarked that his hand must be cramping from all that book signing, he told me that his handwriting, like that of most doctors, was pretty bad to begin with. I heard one of the other people, a young woman who stood in line ahead of me, remark to him that along with Bob Dylan, Percy was her biggest hero. That got him out of his chair to give her a big hug. I couldn?t tell you why I was sitting on the couch across from one of America?s most celebrated authors of high seriousness in the Henley Park Hotel. As an interviewer I knew there had to be a lot of literary types out there that would love to trade places with me and were certainly a hell of a lot more qualified to do so?nevertheless, there I sat with my notes, and my questions, and my little black tape recorder. On the other hand, I guess I could tell you how it ended up being me sitting there. Like a lot of things that end up being lifelong interests, it started out as someone else?s interest. The very first person to tell me about Walker Percy and Thomas Merton (neither of whom I had even heard of) was a young woman graduate from Trinity, a small Catholic college in Washington, DC. Like the young lady in the bookstore, she had a contagious enthusiasm and I caught it. So there I sat across from Percy, ready to discuss his latest comic apocalyptic depiction of the contemporary malaise, *The Thanatos Syndrome.* [image: Pull Quote]I?ll give myself some credit: I was well prepared. I had tried crafting a series of questions that addressed themes in Percy?s work overall, as well as those more specifically focused on what ended up being his last novel?a novel saturated in death. And while most readers would probably agree that *Thanatos* is not his strongest novel, it is without a doubt his most blatant address of what he called the century of death?and overtly ?pro-life,? if you will. It was a novel that definitely had a message to go along with a warning, as all of his novels did, but this one had a Christian humanism that plainly showed through, and that opened its author up to criticism. This was a novel that he probably did well to wait to write until after his reputation was already firmly established. That in and of itself made it an interesting novel to talk about, and when you go back and read the interview you can see that he was certainly more than aware of the chances he was taking as a novelist, and the choice he made. It dawned on me that he felt this was a book he wanted to get out there as a cautionary tale, for no other reason than to make sure he got it out there before it was too late . . . for everybody. I tried following Percy?s lead by making sure we didn?t get absolutely bogged down in the heavy themes of the book?genocide, euthanasia, social engineering in an age of exploding technology and scientific knowledge, the devaluation of life, and the reliving of the rise of Nazi Germany through the memories of a broken-down priest, Father Smith. What I mean by following his lead is not letting the seriousness of it all go entirely unrelieved?one of the things I admired most about his fiction and particularly his send-up of pop psychology and pop science in *Lost in the Cosmos: The Last Self-Help Book*. I brought a few lighthearted questions to lessen the potentially lethal seriousness of it all. My hope as an interviewer was that we might actually end up having something akin to a real conversation, where everything wasn?t so strictly scripted. It struck me as the sanest approach when dealing with all these potentially grim subjects. If nothing else, I had learned from Percy?s own writing of the supreme dangers of taking yourself too seriously, a pretension that simply adds to a lethalness already in the air. This was going to require a little humor. So I asked him about bourbon?s popularity amongst Southerners, about why he always made fun of Ohioans and how they talked (or ?tocked?) in his books, and I threw in a Dan Quayle joke at the end?seemed only right. What I feared most, looking overmatched, an amateur asking serious (too-serious) questions, I never felt in his presence, which for me was a great grace?like the appreciative hug the girl got from him in the bookstore. That image of Percy jumping out of his chair stayed with me. It was a wonderful gesture from such a droll surveyor of the lethal consciousness of the twentieth century, satirizer of the contemporary malaise and human condition, from the one who stared it all down in his books and essays. That image of spontaneity, a little sign, gave me a little wiggle room going into the interview. Maybe it wouldn?t be as intimidating to talk to him as I imagined. [image: Pull Quote 1]That in a sense* was* his subject and his narrative?finding signs of life, a reason to hope, to be onto something. A self-confessed hater of the twentieth century, he made forays into contemporary consciousness that might come across as preachy or overbearing in another?s hands. Percy was too sly for that, operating out of a conviction that to get around many of the postmodern, post-Christian assumptions of the reader, he had to address Man?s waywardness and homesickness indirectly, disarmingly, often through comedic means. As a writer, it?s not always what you write about as much as how you put it. And here, Percy had it going on in spades. People key into his writings because of the surety of the laconic voice they?re listening to, not just what he said but the way he said it. He could capture and play with ideas and language in an amusing way and not just get his point across, but get it across in such a way that readers might actually pay attention. The fact that Percy was a Southerner gave him an ear for all varieties of American dialect, but obviously there was a lot more than just cultural satire at play. The wry voice behind all those feckless Southern gentlemen in search of a real identity in an age of prosperity and happiness, an authentic life in the age of mass media and the inauthentic, was also a shrewd voice that had a way of conveying and concealing what was essentially a life-and-death struggle. He was well-suited for observing the paradoxes of the twentieth century, which he describes in his essay ?Why are You a Catholic?? as ?the most scientifically advanced, savage, democratic, inhuman, sentimental, murderous century in human history.? Certainly, the fact that he was a Catholic writer played a significant role in his claim that the stakes really were that high. Perhaps it also took someone whose own family had been plagued by a series of suicides to really understand how the culture of life and the culture of death seep into every fallibility, every choice, underscoring the personal nature of the very act of communication and choice itself. Perhaps it took an ex-medical student to recognize that a sense of pathology also implies a sense of health. As he once said, a writer has to have ?the knack??knowing how to put things, connecting what might not appear to be connected?the radar for it, the ability to pick it up out of the air. In his case, he started with the heavy ironies of the twentieth century and created from there. In his essay ?Notes for a Novel About the End of the World,? Percy wrote: ?The hero of the post-modern novel is a man who has forgotten his bad memories and conquered his present ills and who finds himself in the victorious secular city. His only problem now is to keep from blowing his brains out.? [image: Pull Quote]Starting with Binx Bolling in *The Moviegoer *all the way through to Dr. Thomas More in* The Thanatos Syndrome, *Percy drew protagonists* *sunk down into their everydayness*, *mostly successful, but feckless, who are troubled by an out-of-placeness, a no-placeness that bears a peculiarly contemporary stamp. Percy posits a startling possibility: Their trouble might actually be a sign pointing away from itself, back to itself?more often than not, reduced and explained away. Nevertheless, their problems lie beyond the reach of the objectifying cause and effect of secularized science, sociology, and psychology; that is to say, the actual existence of a soul, afflicted as it might be. These protagonists are exemplars for his philosophical and existential concerns?why should anyone care about these upside-down souls trying to figure out what to do with themselves or modern society?s derangements? Our very lives might just depend on it. Those are the stakes Percy proposes. As a moralist, and a diagnostic novelist, he payed attention to telltale signs, drawing the lines of choice standing before us. In the broadest sense, suffering from a terminal illness called the human condition, his characters are all on the same hook, just as he was as a young man, driven to make choices (starting out as an agnostic medical student and devout believer in empirical science, ending up a Catholic novelist). Placing his characters in the midst of ?the search? against the boredom, dislocation, and emptiness of this death in life seems only natural. Surely the most significant, and paradoxical, sign at the center of that search is the peculiar and mysteriously individual natures of the seekers themselves?a stumbling block to any scientific or behavioral theory. This is where Percy located the true value of individuals, offered his correctives, and fused his diagnostic skill with his fiction, his eye on his characters? peculiar alienation playing itself out again and again. It was as if he took the happy paradise of the shopping mall and the golf course in the suburbs, part of the most successful consumerist culture in the history of the world, and could still, despite all appearances, see the real spirit of the times, its malevolent possibilities, as just another playground for the demonic. Getting the reader to actually see the many-sided aspect of its lethalness as he saw it, and not run them off or turn them off, combining humor with high seriousness, was the trick that enabled him to fuse fiction with philosophy, fiction with existentialism, fiction that stands as the very antithesis to easy and, ultimately, unsatisfying answers; or even worse, nihilism dressed up in the name of ideology or scientism; slippery ideas and slippery language all leading to an abyss. [image: Pull Quote 3]Part of my interest in Percy as a novelist was in the faith that undergirded his writing. Whatever sign or hint of an answer he offered up was always going to remain suggestive, allusive, and as such, instructive to other writers who might share similar faith concerns. The way he was able to take his characters? waywardness and unease and use it as part of a prognosis for the age was ingenious and, as yet, unrivaled. Successful in an ironic way Percy might appreciate, as he understood with a unique vision (that was both comic and deadly serious), the pilgrim?s search would have to be conducted in a post-Christian world where many of the symbols and signs that directed pilgrims on their way were already stripped of all their meanings. In a sense, Percy created new signs through his exploratory essays and fiction, and revived the old vanishing ones, giving them new uses, new senses, in an upside-down, ironic way that only a modern man or woman might understand and appreciate. In his essay ?Notes for a Novel about the End of the World,? he asserts: ?Instead of constructing a plot and creating a cast of characters from a world familiar to everybody, he (the novelist) is more apt to set forth with a stranger in a strange land where the signposts are enigmatic but which he sets out to explore nevertheless.? *** Brent Short is the Director of Library Services at Saint Leo University in Florida. His writing has appeared in *Radix*, *The Christian Century*, *Mars Hill Review*, *Inklings*, *Sojourners*, *The Merton Seasonal*, *The Other Side*, and *Christianity and Literature* -- A Canonization in Munich: http://www.jimandnancyforest.com/2012/02/10/schmorell-canonization/ Photos of the canonization: http://www.flickr.com/photos/jimforest/sets/72157629206699911/with/6831984485/ Article about St. Alexander Schmorell: http://www.jimandnancyforest.com/2011/02/02/alexander-schmorell-a-witness-in-dark-times/ Photos of my recent travels in Poland: http://www.flickr.com/photos/jimforest/collections/72157628050528457/ Reflections on a visit to Auschwitz: http://www.jimandnancyforest.com/2011/11/28/auschwitz/ Recent books: *All is Grace* revised and expanded biography of Dorothy Day: http://www.jimandnancyforest.com/2006/03/24/all-is-grace/ *Saint George & the Dragon* a children's book: http://www.jimandnancyforest.com/2011/04/04/saint-george-and-the-dragon/ *For the Peace From Above* a resource book on war, peace and nationalism: http://www.jimandnancyforest.com/2011/09/08/for-the-peace-from-above-an-orthodox-resource-book-on-war-peace-and-nationalism/ Jim & Nancy web site: www.jimandnancyforest.com Jim's books: http://www.jimandnancyforest.com/books/ Photo collections: www.flickr.com/photos/jimforest/collections/ In Communion site: www.incommunion.org Forest-Flier Editorial Services: www.forestflier.com On Pilgrimage blog: http://jimandnancyonpilgrimage.blogspot.com/ A Tale of Two Kidneys blog: http://ataleof2kidneys.blogspot.com/ *Jim & Nancy Forest* Kanisstraat 5 / 1811 GJ Alkmaar / The Netherlands * * * -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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