From marcus at loyno.edu Sun May 10 10:20:35 2020 From: marcus at loyno.edu (Marcus Smith) Date: Sun, 10 May 2020 09:20:35 -0500 Subject: [percy-l] End of homo loquens? Message-ID: Elon Musk says speech and human language in final years. https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/elon-musk-joe-rogan-podcast-language-neuralink-grimes-baby-a9506451.html Musk seems as big a narcissist as Trump, but Percy would have read the article and had something to say. Can?t begin to guess what he would have said. Why do I recall Umberto Eco?s definition of the ?sign?? Anything that can be used to tell a lie. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From honeyjbc at gmail.com Sun May 10 10:55:16 2020 From: honeyjbc at gmail.com (honeyjbc1 .) Date: Sun, 10 May 2020 10:55:16 -0400 Subject: [percy-l] End of homo loquens? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It seems we might not lose much if he would need longer talk to others. On Sun, May 10, 2020, 10:21 AM Marcus Smith wrote: > Elon Musk says speech and human language in final years. > > > https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/elon-musk-joe-rogan-podcast-language-neuralink-grimes-baby-a9506451.html > > Musk seems as big a narcissist as Trump, but Percy would have read the > article and had something to say. Can?t begin to guess what he would have > said. > > Why do I recall Umberto Eco?s definition of the ?sign?? Anything that can > be used to tell a lie. > > ---------------------------------- > * Percy-L Discussion Archives: http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/percy-l/ > > * Manage Your Membership: > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/percy-l > > * Contact the Moderator: percy-l-owner (at) lists.ibiblio.org > > * Visit The Walker Percy Project: http://www.ibiblio.org/wpercy > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lowry.charles at gmail.com Sun May 10 11:19:02 2020 From: lowry.charles at gmail.com (Charles Lowry) Date: Sun, 10 May 2020 11:19:02 -0400 Subject: [percy-l] End of homo loquens? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <55B1BE33-C7FF-493A-A522-C8E57644BA66@gmail.com> The only reason some of us are still alive (or still in a relationship or still employed or or still able to shop at a particular bakery or pharmacy or hardware store) is that there is a difference between homo loquens and homo cogitans. The best interrogators and the best negotiators have been able to thrive by blurring the line between homo loquens and homo cogitans. How soon before Musk?s development goes from ?Let me tell you telepathically what I want you to know? to ?No need to say a thing; I have access to your thoughts?? St. Thomas Aquinas relentlessly insisted that in this life all elements of the person were inseparable. When that changes, when significant chunks of human interaction can be carried out without a physical component, what else changes? At my age it is no sure thing that I?ll be here to see any changes in five years, let alone ten, but I think I?ll just keep talking as long as I can. Or did they, long before Elon Musk and St. Thomas, have this same conversation when writing was invented? Chuck Lowry Brooklyn, New York Sent from my iPhone > On May 10, 2020, at 10:56 AM, honeyjbc1 . wrote: > > ? > It seems we might not lose much if he would need longer talk to others. > >> On Sun, May 10, 2020, 10:21 AM Marcus Smith wrote: >> Elon Musk says speech and human language in final years. >> >> https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/elon-musk-joe-rogan-podcast-language-neuralink-grimes-baby-a9506451.html >> >> Musk seems as big a narcissist as Trump, but Percy would have read the article and had something to say. Can?t begin to guess what he would have said. >> >> Why do I recall Umberto Eco?s definition of the ?sign?? Anything that can be used to tell a lie. >> >> ---------------------------------- >> * Percy-L Discussion Archives: http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/percy-l/ >> >> * Manage Your Membership: http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/percy-l >> >> * Contact the Moderator: percy-l-owner (at) lists.ibiblio.org >> >> * Visit The Walker Percy Project: http://www.ibiblio.org/wpercy > > ---------------------------------- > * Percy-L Discussion Archives: http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/percy-l/ > > * Manage Your Membership: http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/percy-l > > * Contact the Moderator: percy-l-owner (at) lists.ibiblio.org > > * Visit The Walker Percy Project: http://www.ibiblio.org/wpercy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From honeyjbc at gmail.com Sun May 10 12:04:22 2020 From: honeyjbc at gmail.com (honeyjbc1 .) Date: Sun, 10 May 2020 12:04:22 -0400 Subject: [percy-l] End of homo loquens? In-Reply-To: <55B1BE33-C7FF-493A-A522-C8E57644BA66@gmail.com> References: <55B1BE33-C7FF-493A-A522-C8E57644BA66@gmail.com> Message-ID: In my comment I meant "no longer" but my helpful phone spellchecker changed it to need longer. Are we already on the way when communication is so often by texting? I go out to lunch and too often a conversation is inhibited because someone is texting instead of conversing. Me I love to talk. On Sun, May 10, 2020, 11:22 AM Charles Lowry wrote: > The only reason some of us are still alive (or still in a relationship or > still employed or or still able to shop at a particular bakery or pharmacy > or hardware store) is that there is a difference between homo loquens and > homo cogitans. The best interrogators and the best negotiators have been > able to thrive by blurring the line between homo loquens and homo > cogitans. How soon before Musk?s development goes from ?Let me tell you > telepathically what I want you to know? to ?No need to say a thing; I have > access to your thoughts?? St. Thomas Aquinas relentlessly insisted that in > this life all elements of the person were inseparable. When that changes, > when significant chunks of human interaction can be carried out without a > physical component, what else changes? At my age it is no sure thing that > I?ll be here to see any changes in five years, let alone ten, but I think > I?ll just keep talking as long as I can. > > Or did they, long before Elon Musk and St. Thomas, have this same > conversation when writing was invented? > > Chuck Lowry > Brooklyn, New York > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 10, 2020, at 10:56 AM, honeyjbc1 . wrote: > > ? > It seems we might not lose much if he would need longer talk to others. > > On Sun, May 10, 2020, 10:21 AM Marcus Smith wrote: > >> Elon Musk says speech and human language in final years. >> >> >> https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/elon-musk-joe-rogan-podcast-language-neuralink-grimes-baby-a9506451.html >> >> Musk seems as big a narcissist as Trump, but Percy would have read the >> article and had something to say. Can?t begin to guess what he would have >> said. >> >> Why do I recall Umberto Eco?s definition of the ?sign?? 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URL: From hebrunson at aol.com Sun May 10 14:58:48 2020 From: hebrunson at aol.com (hebrunson at aol.com) Date: Sun, 10 May 2020 18:58:48 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [percy-l] End of homo loquens? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1794939019.381654.1589137128516@mail.yahoo.com> Before we do this, let's develop a way to avoid the commercials.?Howard Brunson -----Original Message----- From: honeyjbc1 . To: Percy-L: Literary and Philosophical Discussion Sent: Sun, May 10, 2020 7:55 am Subject: Re: [percy-l] End of homo loquens? It seems we might not lose much if he would need longer talk to others. On Sun, May 10, 2020, 10:21 AM Marcus Smith wrote: Elon Musk says speech and human language in final years. https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/elon-musk-joe-rogan-podcast-language-neuralink-grimes-baby-a9506451.html Musk seems as big a narcissist as Trump, but Percy would have read the article and had something to say.? Can?t begin to guess what he would have said. ? Why do I recall Umberto Eco?s definition of the ?sign??? Anything that can be used to tell a lie. ? ---------------------------------- * Percy-L Discussion Archives: http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/percy-l/ * Manage Your Membership: http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/percy-l * Contact the Moderator: percy-l-owner (at) lists.ibiblio.org * Visit The Walker Percy Project: http://www.ibiblio.org/wpercy ---------------------------------- * Percy-L Discussion Archives: http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/percy-l/ * Manage Your Membership: http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/percy-l * Contact the Moderator: percy-l-owner (at) lists.ibiblio.org * Visit The Walker Percy Project: http://www.ibiblio.org/wpercy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kennenathens at frontier.com Sun May 10 17:09:06 2020 From: kennenathens at frontier.com (Ken Armstrong) Date: Sun, 10 May 2020 17:09:06 -0400 Subject: [percy-l] End of homo loquens? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks for that link, I haven't had a good laugh out loud for a while. If you watch for a minute or two following the disappearing language clip, you'll see an ad for a band (with a light on it!) that you wear on your forehead to improve your thinking. Hang in there. The lapsometer is next. Apparently there are a few people on this list who may remember how in the '50s and '60s there was much handwringing over the television obsoleting the book. Still -- after computers, the internet, ebooks -- hasn't happened. I remember friends in the '80s who were outright glum over the sure disappearance of books. The newspapers (ironically) were full of it. Elon Musk is reacting the way people always have with new technologies. Give him credit for his money and his can-do attitude, but don't get carried away. Somewhere Walter Ong notes how the camera obscura was seen in its time as the model for how the brain works; more recently the computer had quite a run of advocates proclaiming the same thing for it and ultimately its superiority to the brain. As the guys in my prison classes used to say when asked what's new, "Same old same old." On 5/10/2020 10:20 AM, Marcus Smith wrote: > Elon Musk says speech and human language in final years. > > https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/elon-musk-joe-rogan-podcast-language-neuralink-grimes-baby-a9506451.html > > Musk seems as big a narcissist as Trump, but Percy would have read the > article and had something to say. Can?t begin to guess what he would > have said. > > Why do I recall Umberto Eco?s definition of the ?sign??? Anything that > can be used to tell a lie. > > ---------------------------------- > * Percy-L Discussion Archives: http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/percy-l/ > > * Manage Your Membership: http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/percy-l > > * Contact the Moderator: percy-l-owner (at) lists.ibiblio.org > > * Visit The Walker Percy Project: http://www.ibiblio.org/wpercy -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bonannju at gmail.com Sun May 10 17:27:51 2020 From: bonannju at gmail.com (Justin Bonanno) Date: Sun, 10 May 2020 17:27:51 -0400 Subject: [percy-l] Percy-L Digest, Vol 159, Issue 2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Interesting article, thanks for sharing. I wish Percy were here to parody this. Just imagine, Sagan waiting for an ETI to send a signal back and Musk in the next room trying to communicate with Sagan via some chip implant in his brain.... Like the General Semanticists, Mr. Musk falls into that unfortunate camp of philosophers who think of language as the mere clothing of thought. First we think, then we communicate, they say. Not so, says Percy (and Langer and others). Language renders the world formulable for me and you. Musk's dream of communication is an angelic one (with no sensible mediation necessary). Also, the reference to Ong and the reflections on technology (writing, computers) seem very apropos here, indeed! On Sun, May 10, 2020, 5:15 PM wrote: > Send Percy-L mailing list submissions to > percy-l at lists.ibiblio.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/percy-l > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > percy-l-request at lists.ibiblio.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > percy-l-owner at lists.ibiblio.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Percy-L digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: End of homo loquens? (honeyjbc1 .) > 2. Re: End of homo loquens? (hebrunson at aol.com) > 3. Re: End of homo loquens? (Ken Armstrong) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 10 May 2020 12:04:22 -0400 > From: "honeyjbc1 ." > To: "Percy-L: Literary and Philosophical Discussion" > > Subject: Re: [percy-l] End of homo loquens? > Message-ID: > < > CAG4ie03zqk8RsVmikPh7BdB0++CwtKonucJKH8fZfQFs2my_PA at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > In my comment I meant "no longer" but my helpful phone spellchecker changed > it to need longer. > > Are we already on the way when communication is so often by texting? I go > out to lunch and too often a conversation is inhibited because someone is > texting instead of conversing. > > Me I love to talk. > > On Sun, May 10, 2020, 11:22 AM Charles Lowry > wrote: > > > The only reason some of us are still alive (or still in a relationship or > > still employed or or still able to shop at a particular bakery or > pharmacy > > or hardware store) is that there is a difference between homo loquens and > > homo cogitans. The best interrogators and the best negotiators have been > > able to thrive by blurring the line between homo loquens and homo > > cogitans. How soon before Musk?s development goes from ?Let me tell you > > telepathically what I want you to know? to ?No need to say a thing; I > have > > access to your thoughts?? St. Thomas Aquinas relentlessly insisted that > in > > this life all elements of the person were inseparable. When that > changes, > > when significant chunks of human interaction can be carried out without a > > physical component, what else changes? At my age it is no sure thing > that > > I?ll be here to see any changes in five years, let alone ten, but I think > > I?ll just keep talking as long as I can. > > > > Or did they, long before Elon Musk and St. Thomas, have this same > > conversation when writing was invented? > > > > Chuck Lowry > > Brooklyn, New York > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On May 10, 2020, at 10:56 AM, honeyjbc1 . wrote: > > > > ? > > It seems we might not lose much if he would need longer talk to others. > > > > On Sun, May 10, 2020, 10:21 AM Marcus Smith wrote: > > > >> Elon Musk says speech and human language in final years. > >> > >> > >> > https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/elon-musk-joe-rogan-podcast-language-neuralink-grimes-baby-a9506451.html > >> > >> Musk seems as big a narcissist as Trump, but Percy would have read the > >> article and had something to say. Can?t begin to guess what he would > have > >> said. > >> > >> Why do I recall Umberto Eco?s definition of the ?sign?? Anything that > >> can be used to tell a lie. > >> > >> ---------------------------------- > >> * Percy-L Discussion Archives: > >> http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/percy-l/ > >> > >> * Manage Your Membership: > >> http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/percy-l > >> > >> * Contact the Moderator: percy-l-owner (at) lists.ibiblio.org > >> > >> * Visit The Walker Percy Project: http://www.ibiblio.org/wpercy > >> > > > > ---------------------------------- > > * Percy-L Discussion Archives: > http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/percy-l/ > > > > * Manage Your Membership: > > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/percy-l > > > > * Contact the Moderator: percy-l-owner (at) lists.ibiblio.org > > > > * Visit The Walker Percy Project: http://www.ibiblio.org/wpercy > > > > > > ---------------------------------- > > * Percy-L Discussion Archives: > http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/percy-l/ > > > > * Manage Your Membership: > > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/percy-l > > > > * Contact the Moderator: percy-l-owner (at) lists.ibiblio.org > > > > * Visit The Walker Percy Project: http://www.ibiblio.org/wpercy > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/percy-l/attachments/20200510/fc8bbbd1/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 10 May 2020 18:58:48 +0000 (UTC) > From: hebrunson at aol.com > To: percy-l at lists.ibiblio.org > Subject: Re: [percy-l] End of homo loquens? > Message-ID: <1794939019.381654.1589137128516 at mail.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > Before we do this, let's develop a way to avoid the commercials.?Howard > Brunson > > -----Original Message----- > From: honeyjbc1 . > To: Percy-L: Literary and Philosophical Discussion < > percy-l at lists.ibiblio.org> > Sent: Sun, May 10, 2020 7:55 am > Subject: Re: [percy-l] End of homo loquens? > > It seems we might not lose much if he would need longer talk to others. > On Sun, May 10, 2020, 10:21 AM Marcus Smith wrote: > > Elon Musk says speech and human language in final years. > > https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/elon-musk-joe-rogan-podcast-language-neuralink-grimes-baby-a9506451.html > Musk seems as big a narcissist as Trump, but Percy would have read the > article and had something to say.? Can?t begin to guess what he would have > said. ? > Why do I recall Umberto Eco?s definition of the ?sign??? Anything that can > be used to tell a lie. ? > ---------------------------------- > * Percy-L Discussion Archives: http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/percy-l/ > > * Manage Your Membership: > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/percy-l > > * Contact the Moderator: percy-l-owner (at) lists.ibiblio.org > > * Visit The Walker Percy Project: http://www.ibiblio.org/wpercy > > > ---------------------------------- > * Percy-L Discussion Archives: http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/percy-l/ > > * Manage Your Membership: > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/percy-l > > * Contact the Moderator: percy-l-owner (at) lists.ibiblio.org > > * Visit The Walker Percy Project: http://www.ibiblio.org/wpercy > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/percy-l/attachments/20200510/4f256e26/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sun, 10 May 2020 17:09:06 -0400 > From: Ken Armstrong > To: percy-l at lists.ibiblio.org > Subject: Re: [percy-l] End of homo loquens? > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed" > > Thanks for that link, I haven't had a good laugh out loud for a while. > If you watch for a minute or two following the disappearing language > clip, you'll see an ad for a band (with a light on it!) that you wear on > your forehead to improve your thinking. Hang in there. The lapsometer is > next. > > Apparently there are a few people on this list who may remember how in > the '50s and '60s there was much handwringing over the television > obsoleting the book. Still -- after computers, the internet, ebooks -- > hasn't happened. I remember friends in the '80s who were outright glum > over the sure disappearance of books. The newspapers (ironically) were > full of it. Elon Musk is reacting the way people always have with new > technologies. Give him credit for his money and his can-do attitude, but > don't get carried away. Somewhere Walter Ong notes how the camera > obscura was seen in its time as the model for how the brain works; more > recently the computer had quite a run of advocates proclaiming the same > thing for it and ultimately its superiority to the brain. As the guys in > my prison classes used to say when asked what's new, "Same old same old." > > On 5/10/2020 10:20 AM, Marcus Smith wrote: > > Elon Musk says speech and human language in final years. > > > > > https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/elon-musk-joe-rogan-podcast-language-neuralink-grimes-baby-a9506451.html > > > > Musk seems as big a narcissist as Trump, but Percy would have read the > > article and had something to say. Can?t begin to guess what he would > > have said. > > > > Why do I recall Umberto Eco?s definition of the ?sign??? Anything that > > can be used to tell a lie. > > > > ---------------------------------- > > * Percy-L Discussion Archives: > http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/percy-l/ > > > > * Manage Your Membership: > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/percy-l > > > > * Contact the Moderator: percy-l-owner (at) lists.ibiblio.org > > > > * Visit The Walker Percy Project: http://www.ibiblio.org/wpercy > > > -- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/percy-l/attachments/20200510/9132e596/attachment.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > Percy-L mailing list > Percy-L at lists.ibiblio.org > https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/percy-l > > > ------------------------------ > > End of Percy-L Digest, Vol 159, Issue 2 > *************************************** > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lauren.stacy.berdy at gmail.com Mon May 11 13:41:22 2020 From: lauren.stacy.berdy at gmail.com (Lauren Berdy) Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 13:41:22 -0400 Subject: [percy-l] Percy-L Digest, Vol 159, Issue 2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <70AA6359-F449-4BA1-A51B-434FADF2EBD9@gmail.com> ? once the final break is made between reality and language Arguments will generate their own Force and lay out their own logical rules? Dr Walker Percy We are going Away from the concrete towards the abstract Away from our first causes From the poem Dumbness by Thomas Traherne ?The first impressions are Immortal All? (He italicized this line ) We humans are getting more and More confused by our vanities and their words Thank you Sent from my iPhone > On May 10, 2020, at 5:28 PM, Justin Bonanno wrote: > > ? > Interesting article, thanks for sharing. I wish Percy were here to parody this. Just imagine, Sagan waiting for an ETI to send a signal back and Musk in the next room trying to communicate with Sagan via some chip implant in his brain.... > > Like the General Semanticists, Mr. Musk falls into that unfortunate camp of philosophers who think of language as the mere clothing of thought. First we think, then we communicate, they say. Not so, says Percy (and Langer and others). Language renders the world formulable for me and you. Musk's dream of communication is an angelic one (with no sensible mediation necessary). > > Also, the reference to Ong and the reflections on technology (writing, computers) seem very apropos here, indeed! > >> On Sun, May 10, 2020, 5:15 PM wrote: >> Send Percy-L mailing list submissions to >> percy-l at lists.ibiblio.org >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/percy-l >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> percy-l-request at lists.ibiblio.org >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> percy-l-owner at lists.ibiblio.org >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of Percy-L digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: End of homo loquens? (honeyjbc1 .) >> 2. Re: End of homo loquens? (hebrunson at aol.com) >> 3. Re: End of homo loquens? (Ken Armstrong) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Sun, 10 May 2020 12:04:22 -0400 >> From: "honeyjbc1 ." >> To: "Percy-L: Literary and Philosophical Discussion" >> >> Subject: Re: [percy-l] End of homo loquens? >> Message-ID: >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> In my comment I meant "no longer" but my helpful phone spellchecker changed >> it to need longer. >> >> Are we already on the way when communication is so often by texting? I go >> out to lunch and too often a conversation is inhibited because someone is >> texting instead of conversing. >> >> Me I love to talk. >> >> On Sun, May 10, 2020, 11:22 AM Charles Lowry >> wrote: >> >> > The only reason some of us are still alive (or still in a relationship or >> > still employed or or still able to shop at a particular bakery or pharmacy >> > or hardware store) is that there is a difference between homo loquens and >> > homo cogitans. The best interrogators and the best negotiators have been >> > able to thrive by blurring the line between homo loquens and homo >> > cogitans. How soon before Musk?s development goes from ?Let me tell you >> > telepathically what I want you to know? to ?No need to say a thing; I have >> > access to your thoughts?? St. Thomas Aquinas relentlessly insisted that in >> > this life all elements of the person were inseparable. When that changes, >> > when significant chunks of human interaction can be carried out without a >> > physical component, what else changes? At my age it is no sure thing that >> > I?ll be here to see any changes in five years, let alone ten, but I think >> > I?ll just keep talking as long as I can. >> > >> > Or did they, long before Elon Musk and St. Thomas, have this same >> > conversation when writing was invented? >> > >> > Chuck Lowry >> > Brooklyn, New York >> > >> > Sent from my iPhone >> > >> > On May 10, 2020, at 10:56 AM, honeyjbc1 . wrote: >> > >> > ? >> > It seems we might not lose much if he would need longer talk to others. >> > >> > On Sun, May 10, 2020, 10:21 AM Marcus Smith wrote: >> > >> >> Elon Musk says speech and human language in final years. >> >> >> >> >> >> https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/elon-musk-joe-rogan-podcast-language-neuralink-grimes-baby-a9506451.html >> >> >> >> Musk seems as big a narcissist as Trump, but Percy would have read the >> >> article and had something to say. Can?t begin to guess what he would have >> >> said. >> >> >> >> Why do I recall Umberto Eco?s definition of the ?sign?? Anything that >> >> can be used to tell a lie. >> >> >> >> ---------------------------------- >> >> * Percy-L Discussion Archives: >> >> http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/percy-l/ >> >> >> >> * Manage Your Membership: >> >> http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/percy-l >> >> >> >> * Contact the Moderator: percy-l-owner (at) lists.ibiblio.org >> >> >> >> * Visit The Walker Percy Project: http://www.ibiblio.org/wpercy >> >> >> > >> > ---------------------------------- >> > * Percy-L Discussion Archives: http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/percy-l/ >> > >> > * Manage Your Membership: >> > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/percy-l >> > >> > * Contact the Moderator: percy-l-owner (at) lists.ibiblio.org >> > >> > * Visit The Walker Percy Project: http://www.ibiblio.org/wpercy >> > >> > >> > ---------------------------------- >> > * Percy-L Discussion Archives: http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/percy-l/ >> > >> > * Manage Your Membership: >> > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/percy-l >> > >> > * Contact the Moderator: percy-l-owner (at) lists.ibiblio.org >> > >> > * Visit The Walker Percy Project: http://www.ibiblio.org/wpercy >> > >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Sun, 10 May 2020 18:58:48 +0000 (UTC) >> From: hebrunson at aol.com >> To: percy-l at lists.ibiblio.org >> Subject: Re: [percy-l] End of homo loquens? >> Message-ID: <1794939019.381654.1589137128516 at mail.yahoo.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> >> Before we do this, let's develop a way to avoid the commercials.?Howard Brunson >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: honeyjbc1 . >> To: Percy-L: Literary and Philosophical Discussion >> Sent: Sun, May 10, 2020 7:55 am >> Subject: Re: [percy-l] End of homo loquens? >> >> It seems we might not lose much if he would need longer talk to others. >> On Sun, May 10, 2020, 10:21 AM Marcus Smith wrote: >> >> Elon Musk says speech and human language in final years. >> https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/elon-musk-joe-rogan-podcast-language-neuralink-grimes-baby-a9506451.html >> Musk seems as big a narcissist as Trump, but Percy would have read the article and had something to say.? Can?t begin to guess what he would have said. ? >> Why do I recall Umberto Eco?s definition of the ?sign??? Anything that can be used to tell a lie. ? >> ---------------------------------- >> * Percy-L Discussion Archives: http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/percy-l/ >> >> * Manage Your Membership: http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/percy-l >> >> * Contact the Moderator: percy-l-owner (at) lists.ibiblio.org >> >> * Visit The Walker Percy Project: http://www.ibiblio.org/wpercy >> >> >> ---------------------------------- >> * Percy-L Discussion Archives: http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/percy-l/ >> >> * Manage Your Membership: http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/percy-l >> >> * Contact the Moderator: percy-l-owner (at) lists.ibiblio.org >> >> * Visit The Walker Percy Project: http://www.ibiblio.org/wpercy >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Sun, 10 May 2020 17:09:06 -0400 >> From: Ken Armstrong >> To: percy-l at lists.ibiblio.org >> Subject: Re: [percy-l] End of homo loquens? >> Message-ID: >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed" >> >> Thanks for that link, I haven't had a good laugh out loud for a while. >> If you watch for a minute or two following the disappearing language >> clip, you'll see an ad for a band (with a light on it!) that you wear on >> your forehead to improve your thinking. Hang in there. The lapsometer is >> next. >> >> Apparently there are a few people on this list who may remember how in >> the '50s and '60s there was much handwringing over the television >> obsoleting the book. Still -- after computers, the internet, ebooks -- >> hasn't happened. I remember friends in the '80s who were outright glum >> over the sure disappearance of books. The newspapers (ironically) were >> full of it. Elon Musk is reacting the way people always have with new >> technologies. Give him credit for his money and his can-do attitude, but >> don't get carried away. Somewhere Walter Ong notes how the camera >> obscura was seen in its time as the model for how the brain works; more >> recently the computer had quite a run of advocates proclaiming the same >> thing for it and ultimately its superiority to the brain. As the guys in >> my prison classes used to say when asked what's new, "Same old same old." >> >> On 5/10/2020 10:20 AM, Marcus Smith wrote: >> > Elon Musk says speech and human language in final years. >> > >> > https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/elon-musk-joe-rogan-podcast-language-neuralink-grimes-baby-a9506451.html >> > >> > Musk seems as big a narcissist as Trump, but Percy would have read the >> > article and had something to say. Can?t begin to guess what he would >> > have said. >> > >> > Why do I recall Umberto Eco?s definition of the ?sign??? 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URL: From kareyperkins at gmail.com Fri May 15 10:47:09 2020 From: kareyperkins at gmail.com (Karey Perkins) Date: Fri, 15 May 2020 10:47:09 -0400 Subject: [percy-l] CFP for SAMLA conference November 2020 Message-ID: The deadline is extended to June 22 for the Walker Percy (open topic) session at the South Atlantic Modern Language Association Conference in Atlanta, November 13-15 of this year. See: https://samla.memberclicks.net/ for more information. We have one full session of four papers already! However, I?d love to see more Percy people and Percy papers at SAMLA this year. We have usually had multiple Percy sessions at SAMLA in the past few years with great ideas, stimulating discussions, and enjoyable camaraderie. Given that the Walker Percy Center no longer hosts its biennial conference (and the Walker Percy Weekend this year has been cancelled), SAMLA has been a wonderful alternative meeting place for Percy lovers. Abstract is: Papers for this session may focus on ANY aspect of Walker Percy's life and/or works, either fiction or non-fiction. Especially welcome are topics relevant to the SAMLA 92 conference theme: Scandal!: Literature and Provocation: Breaking Rules, Making Texts. Percy's radical anthropology and his unique semiotic broke rules and provided the basis for new texts in both his specialty areas of literature and philosophy. Please send 300-word abstracts by June 22, 2020, to Dr. Karey Perkins, South Carolina State University, kperkin1 at scsu.edu. Please also include a brief bio and any A/V requirements in your abstract. November is far enough away that we may (hopefully) be safely gathering again! Of course, no one really knows or can accurately predict the course of the pandemic. If we are still not free to gather, a lot of conferences and meetings are going to virtual presentations, and it?s possible SAMLA may as well. Hope to see many of you there ? in the meantime, stay safe and healthy! Karey Karey Perkins, M.A., M.A.T., Ph.D. Assistant Professor, Department of English 296A Turner Hall, South Carolina State University Orangeburg, SC 29117 kperkin1 at scsu.edu | 803-536-7016 www.scsu.edu Member, Institute for Studies in Pragmaticism Texas Tech University, Lubbock, TX 79409-0002 kareperk at ttu.edu | http://www.pragmaticism.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: