[percy-l] Walker Percy and Certification: "Somewhere vs. Anywhere"

Joseph Francisco joe.francisco4591 at gmail.com
Sat Mar 19 19:52:08 EDT 2022


Having grown up in New Jersey and having lived in Brooklyn, I would argue
that largely yes, it is a place, but that it also depends on what
neighborhood we're talking about. For example, I lived in Flatbush--not
much of a place (who's ever heard of Newkirk Plaza?), if I may say so. But
on the other hand, just consider the Brooklynization of American cities,
and even abroad! The Williamsburg aesthetic is exported--brick wall,
exposed edison lightbulbs, neo-19th century mustaches, etc... and goods
sold in Paris advertised as made/designed in Brooklyn! It's a place in my
book (speaking as a millenial--that may be important too)--unless we're
talking about Flatbush or Canarsie, etc...

That's my two cents..

On Sat, Mar 19, 2022 at 7:23 PM <lowry.charles at gmail.com> wrote:

> For forty-four of my seventy-two years I have lived in Brooklyn.  Half the
> time Brooklynites want to be sure that you know that Brooklyn is part of
> the greatest city in the world; half the time Brooklynites want to be sure
> that you know that Brooklyn is not the same thing as Manhattan.
>
> Brooklyn’s situation may be unique.  To the extent that it is next to
> Manhattan, it is not a place, but it is large enough and diverse enough and
> interesting enough that it could be a place.  We have quiet, stable
> residential neighborhoods—I live in one.  We have crowded, almost jostling
> neighborhoods, the landing place of the next wave of immigrants.  We have
> what are considered dangerous neighborhoods where nevertheless 95% of the
> residents are perfectly law abiding.  We have the steely determination to
> pursue the dream, to build the prosperity, brick by brick, and we have the
> silliness of the hipster neighborhoods, with stores selling endless
> varieties of only one item, e.g., pickles or oatmeal.  Still, though, Pete
> Hamill called his memoir Downtown, to make sure we all understood that
> every Brooklyn kid ultimately wants to cross the bridge.
>
> Is there a category for “I don’t know if we want to be a place or not”?
>
> Chuck Lowry
> Brooklyn, New York
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 19, 2022, at 6:37 PM, Karl M. Terrell <kterrell at stokeswagner.com>
> wrote:
>
> 
>
>
> I live fairly near you, Doug, in Brevard (actually, about a half-dozen
> miles outside Brevard).
>
> Previously I lived in Atlanta, for 40 years, which is not-a-place seeking
> everlastingly to become one.  Its wealthy scene-setters, when deciding to
> repair to the mountains, invariably choose Highlands/Cashiers because, you
> know . . . it’s a place.
>
> I chose Brevard for the music community and for the beauty of the
> mountains and this wonderful climate. But also because — in the spirit of
> the good doctor — it’s not a place.
>
> Karl
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 19, 2022, at 5:16 PM, Doug Brown <wply1223 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> 
> Hi Karl - I'm not able to quote precisely (and I'm not willing to do
> research on a beautiful Saturday afternoon here where I live), but I seem
> to remember that Percy said somewhere that he liked living in Covington
> because it was a no-place right next to a place-place. Like, he enjoyed the
> anonymity of Covington but also appreciated New Orleans being right there -
> he just didn't want to be overwhelmed by living in NEW! ORLEANS!
>
> That's roughly how I felt when I lived in a small town outside of
> Charleston, SC. I now live in Asheville, NC, which I love for being a
> place-place, but not an overwhelming one. And as I type that, I see that I
> should clarify that I live across the river in West Asheville. So I suppose
> it's kind of the same again.
>
> I'd be interested to know if people in this Percy Community share any of
> Percy's experience in this regard. How do y'all feel about the placeness of
> where you live?
>
> Doug Brown
>
> On Sat, Mar 19, 2022 at 9:37 AM Karl M. Terrell <kterrell at stokeswagner.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> When asked by locals what he did for a living, he would initially reply
>> “writer,” which led to some rather awkward conversations. He then changed
>> his reply to “nothing,” and reported (paraphrasing) that they “seemed to
>> accept that pretty well.”
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Mar 19, 2022, at 9:09 AM, lowry.charles at gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>  He also said that he loved living in Covington because, though he had
>> written a novel that won the National Book Award, he was less famous in
>> Covington than the local Budweiser distributor.  I suppose, a fortiori,
>> that would apply as well to the local Abita distributor.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Mar 19, 2022, at 8:27 AM, Karl M. Terrell <kterrell at stokeswagner.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> I’ve always enjoyed, against the background
>> of this quote from MG, Percy’s statement in an interview somewhere that
>> he enjoyed living in a nondescript small town because it was “not a place.”
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Mar 19, 2022, at 2:32 AM, Henry P. Mills III <wppdirector at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> *Somewhere vs. Anywhere, a Percy quote for the community to enjoy:*
>>
>>
>> "*Panic in the Streets* with Richard Widmark is playing on Tchoupitoulas
>> Street….There is a scene which shows the very neighborhood of the theater.
>> Kate gives me a look—it is understood that we do not speak during the movie.
>>
>>
>> Afterwards in the street, she looks around the neighborhood. 'Yes, it is
>> certified now.'
>>
>> She refers to a phenomenon of moviegoing which I have called
>> certification. Nowadays when a person lives somewhere, in a neighborhood,
>> the place is not certified for him. More than likely he will live there
>> sadly and the emptiness which is inside him will expand until it evacuates
>> the entire neighborhood. But if he sees a movie which shows his very
>> neighborhood, it becomes possible for him to live, for a time at least, as
>> a person who is Somewhere and not Anywhere."
>>
>> —Walker Percy, *The Moviegoer*
>>
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