From wppdirector at gmail.com Sat Nov 5 10:37:34 2022 From: wppdirector at gmail.com (Henry P. Mills III) Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2022 10:37:34 -0400 Subject: [percy-l] =?utf-8?q?Adaptation_of_Walker_Percy_Novel_=E2=80=98Th?= =?utf-8?q?e_Second_Coming=E2=80=99_-_Aaron_Magnani_=28Producer=29?= Message-ID: Dear Percy-L: Members may be interested in this news of a future Percy novel film. Is the *Second Coming *more adaptive to the big screen than the *Moviegoer?* I wonder what novel members of the community think would be best suited for a feature-length film? It?d be interesting to hear the community?s responses. Is *Second** Coming* the most likely one? Best wishes, Henry Mills ---- *Aaron Magnani Developing Film Adaptation Of Walker Percy Novel ?The Second Coming?; Peter Arneson Set As Screenwriter* Aaron Magnani has optioned screen rights to Walker Percy?s New York Times bestseller *The Second Coming*, with plans to develop the novel for film. He?s currently in search of a director for the adaptation and will produce via under his Aaron Magnani Productions banner. Peter Arneson adapted the script and will executive produce. The story centers on a wealthy, suicidal widower who searches for proof of God but finds much more when he meets a young woman fugitive from a mental hospital. Influenced by the real-life suicides of Percy?s father and grandfather and suspected suicide of his mother, the plot combines comedy, tragedy and romance, with themes of alienation and redemption. ?This story is very relatable to the world we have been living in,? said Magnani. ?And the adaptation is as much a director?s piece as an actor?s piece and incredible character study.? Continue reading at ? https://deadline.com/2022/03/aaron-magnani-developing-walker-percy-novel-the-second-coming-for-film-1234981570/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From janetcantor37 at yahoo.com Sat Nov 5 11:15:45 2022 From: janetcantor37 at yahoo.com (janetcantor37 at yahoo.com) Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2022 15:15:45 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [percy-l] =?utf-8?q?Adaptation_of_Walker_Percy_Novel_=E2=80=98Th?= =?utf-8?q?e_Second_Coming=E2=80=99_-_Aaron_Magnani_=28Producer=29?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1481615131.183831.1667661345141@mail.yahoo.com> I would like to see any good adaptation of any Percy novel. I think the easiest for adaptation would be The Thanatos Syndrome. It is wild enough to illustrate today's choices about how our authorities handled Covid and vaccinations, and about how the ruling class imposes its ideas of what is going on in the planet and casually ruins our lives and our economy as they go about it. Look how the novel matches how do gooders who think they know what is best for everyone else often forget that others' personal freedom and happiness must not be ignored while they are "helping" the world. There is also that plot about Nazis in the novel that comes from Percy's own pivotal experience of seeing some Nazi Youth when he was a young boy and being viscerally changed by that and never forgetting that scary feeling. There is so much talk about Nazis these days, even that subplot is relevant. A side comment: Percy hated the Nazis and used that subplot in an attempt to give the reader the same terror he understood about tyranny and how it can become normalcy so easily. He was balancing that against the "good intentions" of those who were wrongheadedly giving the happy juice to everyone to bring peace and calm into the world. Yet someone in my book group, a very intelligent woman read that and hated the book because she didn't like the way Percy was minimizing and mocking the Holocaust. She missed Percy's point completely. Another woman there made the pithiest comment on the novel. "Just because we are able to do something does not always mean we should do it." I think The Thanatos Syndrome could be a perfect novel to adapt today.? Wouldn't it be wonderful if movie makers could at last see that these novels were prescient and could entertain us yet give us all food for thought. I wonder if any adaptation of The Second Coming could be successful. It isa strange story, but if it could be pulled off, it could be magical. Janet Cantor On Saturday, November 5, 2022, 10:38:07 AM EDT, Henry P. Mills III wrote: Dear Percy-L: Members may be interested in this news of a future Percy novel film.?Is the?Second Coming?more adaptive to the big screen than the?Moviegoer?? I wonder what novel members of the community think would be best suited for a feature-length film? It?d be interesting to hear the community?s responses.? Is Second Coming the most likely one? Best wishes,Henry Mills ----Aaron Magnani Developing Film Adaptation Of Walker Percy Novel ?The Second Coming?; Peter Arneson Set As Screenwriter Aaron Magnani has optioned screen rights to Walker Percy?s New York Times bestseller?The Second Coming, with plans to develop the novel for film.?He?s currently in search of a director for the adaptation and will produce via under his Aaron Magnani Productions banner. Peter Arneson adapted the script and will executive produce. The story centers on a wealthy, suicidal widower who searches for proof of God but finds much more when he meets a young woman fugitive from a mental hospital. Influenced by the real-life suicides of Percy?s father and grandfather and suspected suicide of his mother, the plot combines comedy, tragedy and romance, with themes of alienation and redemption. ?This story is very relatable to the world we have been living in,? said Magnani. ?And the adaptation is as much a director?s piece as an actor?s piece and incredible character study.? 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URL: From charlescowherd at hotmail.com Sat Nov 5 11:25:46 2022 From: charlescowherd at hotmail.com (Charles Cowherd) Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2022 15:25:46 +0000 Subject: [percy-l] Percy-L Digest, Vol 176, Issue 1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Would love to see it But i feel like "i will believe it when i see it" Given the stop and start of the Thelma O'Toole project ________________________________ From: Percy-L on behalf of percy-l-request at lists.ibiblio.org Sent: Saturday, November 5, 2022 11:15:54 AM To: percy-l at lists.ibiblio.org Subject: Percy-L Digest, Vol 176, Issue 1 Send Percy-L mailing list submissions to percy-l at lists.ibiblio.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.ibiblio.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fpercy-l&data=05%7C01%7C%7C02682c59b5084df1388808dabf40aba9%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638032581726802912%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=a5fok0erBDpE2yooKGyoDhvCRvTUFhgNbC2YGSe7Dok%3D&reserved=0 or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to percy-l-request at lists.ibiblio.org You can reach the person managing the list at percy-l-owner at lists.ibiblio.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Percy-L digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Adaptation of Walker Percy Novel ?The Second Coming? - Aaron Magnani (Producer) (Henry P. Mills III) 2. Re: Adaptation of Walker Percy Novel ?The Second Coming? - Aaron Magnani (Producer) (janetcantor37 at yahoo.com) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2022 10:37:34 -0400 From: "Henry P. Mills III" To: "Percy-L: Literary and Philosophical Discussion" Subject: [percy-l] Adaptation of Walker Percy Novel ?The Second Coming? - Aaron Magnani (Producer) Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Dear Percy-L: Members may be interested in this news of a future Percy novel film. Is the *Second Coming *more adaptive to the big screen than the *Moviegoer?* I wonder what novel members of the community think would be best suited for a feature-length film? It?d be interesting to hear the community?s responses. Is *Second** Coming* the most likely one? Best wishes, Henry Mills ---- *Aaron Magnani Developing Film Adaptation Of Walker Percy Novel ?The Second Coming?; Peter Arneson Set As Screenwriter* Aaron Magnani has optioned screen rights to Walker Percy?s New York Times bestseller *The Second Coming*, with plans to develop the novel for film. He?s currently in search of a director for the adaptation and will produce via under his Aaron Magnani Productions banner. Peter Arneson adapted the script and will executive produce. The story centers on a wealthy, suicidal widower who searches for proof of God but finds much more when he meets a young woman fugitive from a mental hospital. Influenced by the real-life suicides of Percy?s father and grandfather and suspected suicide of his mother, the plot combines comedy, tragedy and romance, with themes of alienation and redemption. ?This story is very relatable to the world we have been living in,? said Magnani. ?And the adaptation is as much a director?s piece as an actor?s piece and incredible character study.? Continue reading at ? https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdeadline.com%2F2022%2F03%2Faaron-magnani-developing-walker-percy-novel-the-second-coming-for-film-1234981570%2F&data=05%7C01%7C%7C02682c59b5084df1388808dabf40aba9%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638032581726802912%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=ectZi4XtHAtP2ycy3LiZT%2BkUt0xDfxH66DdJtvUOIu8%3D&reserved=0 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2022 15:15:45 +0000 (UTC) From: "janetcantor37 at yahoo.com" To: "Percy-L: Literary, Religious, Scientific, and Philosophical Discussion" Subject: Re: [percy-l] Adaptation of Walker Percy Novel ?The Second Coming? - Aaron Magnani (Producer) Message-ID: <1481615131.183831.1667661345141 at mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" I would like to see any good adaptation of any Percy novel. I think the easiest for adaptation would be The Thanatos Syndrome. It is wild enough to illustrate today's choices about how our authorities handled Covid and vaccinations, and about how the ruling class imposes its ideas of what is going on in the planet and casually ruins our lives and our economy as they go about it. Look how the novel matches how do gooders who think they know what is best for everyone else often forget that others' personal freedom and happiness must not be ignored while they are "helping" the world. There is also that plot about Nazis in the novel that comes from Percy's own pivotal experience of seeing some Nazi Youth when he was a young boy and being viscerally changed by that and never forgetting that scary feeling. There is so much talk about Nazis these days, even that subplot is relevant. A side comment: Percy hated the Nazis and used that subplot in an attempt to give the reader the same terror he understood about tyranny and how it can become normalcy so easily. He was balancing that against the "good intentions" of those who were wrongheadedly giving the happy juice to everyone to bring peace and calm into the world. Yet someone in my book group, a very intelligent woman read that and hated the book because she didn't like the way Percy was minimizing and mocking the Holocaust. She missed Percy's point completely. Another woman there made the pithiest comment on the novel. "Just because we are able to do something does not always mean we should do it." I think The Thanatos Syndrome could be a perfect novel to adapt today.? Wouldn't it be wonderful if movie makers could at last see that these novels were prescient and could entertain us yet give us all food for thought. I wonder if any adaptation of The Second Coming could be successful. It isa strange story, but if it could be pulled off, it could be magical. Janet Cantor On Saturday, November 5, 2022, 10:38:07 AM EDT, Henry P. Mills III wrote: Dear Percy-L: Members may be interested in this news of a future Percy novel film.?Is the?Second Coming?more adaptive to the big screen than the?Moviegoer?? I wonder what novel members of the community think would be best suited for a feature-length film? It?d be interesting to hear the community?s responses.? Is Second Coming the most likely one? Best wishes,Henry Mills ----Aaron Magnani Developing Film Adaptation Of Walker Percy Novel ?The Second Coming?; Peter Arneson Set As Screenwriter Aaron Magnani has optioned screen rights to Walker Percy?s New York Times bestseller?The Second Coming, with plans to develop the novel for film.?He?s currently in search of a director for the adaptation and will produce via under his Aaron Magnani Productions banner. Peter Arneson adapted the script and will executive produce. The story centers on a wealthy, suicidal widower who searches for proof of God but finds much more when he meets a young woman fugitive from a mental hospital. Influenced by the real-life suicides of Percy?s father and grandfather and suspected suicide of his mother, the plot combines comedy, tragedy and romance, with themes of alienation and redemption. ?This story is very relatable to the world we have been living in,? said Magnani. ?And the adaptation is as much a director?s piece as an actor?s piece and incredible character study.? 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Terrell) Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2022 18:00:15 +0000 Subject: [percy-l] =?utf-8?q?Adaptation_of_Walker_Percy_Novel_=E2=80=98Th?= =?utf-8?q?e_Second_Coming=E2=80=99_-_Aaron_Magnani_=28Producer=29?= In-Reply-To: <1481615131.183831.1667661345141@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1481615131.183831.1667661345141@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <39157957-C2B6-4313-8605-333FF77E7A63@stokeswagner.com> I would hope, though, that any moviemaker of Thanatos would not cheaply politicize it as a critique of liberalism (either in the broad classic sense or under the ?liberal? label in American politics), or as an endorsement of the current right-wing?s fetishistic misunderstanding of expertise based on real science. Percy was after something altogether different. Karl Terrell Sent from my iPhone On Nov 5, 2022, at 11:16 AM, janetcantor37--- via Percy-L wrote: ? I would like to see any good adaptation of any Percy novel. I think the easiest for adaptation would be The Thanatos Syndrome. It is wild enough to illustrate today's choices about how our authorities handled Covid and vaccinations, and about how the ruling class imposes its ideas of what is going on in the planet and casually ruins our lives and our economy as they go about it. Look how the novel matches how do gooders who think they know what is best for everyone else often forget that others' personal freedom and happiness must not be ignored while they are "helping" the world. There is also that plot about Nazis in the novel that comes from Percy's own pivotal experience of seeing some Nazi Youth when he was a young boy and being viscerally changed by that and never forgetting that scary feeling. There is so much talk about Nazis these days, even that subplot is relevant. A side comment: Percy hated the Nazis and used that subplot in an attempt to give the reader the same terror he understood about tyranny and how it can become normalcy so easily. He was balancing that against the "good intentions" of those who were wrongheadedly giving the happy juice to everyone to bring peace and calm into the world. Yet someone in my book group, a very intelligent woman read that and hated the book because she didn't like the way Percy was minimizing and mocking the Holocaust. She missed Percy's point completely. Another woman there made the pithiest comment on the novel. "Just because we are able to do something does not always mean we should do it." I think The Thanatos Syndrome could be a perfect novel to adapt today. Wouldn't it be wonderful if movie makers could at last see that these novels were prescient and could entertain us yet give us all food for thought. I wonder if any adaptation of The Second Coming could be successful. It isa strange story, but if it could be pulled off, it could be magical. Janet Cantor On Saturday, November 5, 2022, 10:38:07 AM EDT, Henry P. Mills III wrote: Dear Percy-L: Members may be interested in this news of a future Percy novel film. Is the Second Coming more adaptive to the big screen than the Moviegoer? I wonder what novel members of the community think would be best suited for a feature-length film? It?d be interesting to hear the community?s responses. Is Second Coming the most likely one? Best wishes, Henry Mills ---- Aaron Magnani Developing Film Adaptation Of Walker Percy Novel ?The Second Coming?; Peter Arneson Set As Screenwriter Aaron Magnani has optioned screen rights to Walker Percy?s New York Times bestseller The Second Coming, with plans to develop the novel for film. He?s currently in search of a director for the adaptation and will produce via under his Aaron Magnani Productions banner. Peter Arneson adapted the script and will executive produce. The story centers on a wealthy, suicidal widower who searches for proof of God but finds much more when he meets a young woman fugitive from a mental hospital. Influenced by the real-life suicides of Percy?s father and grandfather and suspected suicide of his mother, the plot combines comedy, tragedy and romance, with themes of alienation and redemption. ?This story is very relatable to the world we have been living in,? said Magnani. ?And the adaptation is as much a director?s piece as an actor?s piece and incredible character study.? 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Mike Larson On Sat, Nov 5, 2022 at 1:07 PM wrote: > Send Percy-L mailing list submissions to > percy-l at lists.ibiblio.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/percy-l > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > percy-l-request at lists.ibiblio.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > percy-l-owner at lists.ibiblio.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Percy-L digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Adaptation of Walker Percy Novel ?The Second Coming? - > Aaron Magnani (Producer) (Karl M. Terrell) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2022 18:00:15 +0000 > From: "Karl M. Terrell" > To: "janetcantor37 at yahoo.com" , "Percy-L: > Literary, Religious, Scientific, and Philosophical Discussion" > > Subject: Re: [percy-l] Adaptation of Walker Percy Novel ?The Second > Coming? - Aaron Magnani (Producer) > Message-ID: <39157957-C2B6-4313-8605-333FF77E7A63 at stokeswagner.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > I would hope, though, that any moviemaker of Thanatos would not cheaply > politicize it as a critique of liberalism (either in the broad classic > sense or under the ?liberal? label in American politics), or as an > endorsement of the current right-wing?s fetishistic misunderstanding of > expertise based on real science. > > Percy was after something altogether different. > > Karl Terrell > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Nov 5, 2022, at 11:16 AM, janetcantor37--- via Percy-L < > percy-l at lists.ibiblio.org> wrote: > > ? > I would like to see any good adaptation of any Percy novel. > > I think the easiest for adaptation would be The Thanatos Syndrome. > > It is wild enough to illustrate today's choices about how our authorities > handled Covid and vaccinations, and about how the ruling class imposes its > ideas of what is going on in the planet and casually ruins our lives and > our economy as they go about it. Look how the novel matches how do gooders > who think they know what is best for everyone else often forget that > others' personal freedom and happiness must not be ignored while they are > "helping" the world. > > There is also that plot about Nazis in the novel that comes from Percy's > own pivotal experience of seeing some Nazi Youth when he was a young boy > and being viscerally changed by that and never forgetting that scary > feeling. There is so much talk about Nazis these days, even that subplot is > relevant. > > A side comment: Percy hated the Nazis and used that subplot in an attempt > to give the reader the same terror he understood about tyranny and how it > can become normalcy so easily. He was balancing that against the "good > intentions" of those who were wrongheadedly giving the happy juice to > everyone to bring peace and calm into the world. Yet someone in my book > group, a very intelligent woman read that and hated the book because she > didn't like the way Percy was minimizing and mocking the Holocaust. She > missed Percy's point completely. > > Another woman there made the pithiest comment on the novel. "Just because > we are able to do something does not always mean we should do it." > > I think The Thanatos Syndrome could be a perfect novel to adapt today. > > Wouldn't it be wonderful if movie makers could at last see that these > novels were prescient and could entertain us yet give us all food for > thought. > > I wonder if any adaptation of The Second Coming could be successful. It > isa strange story, but if it could be pulled off, it could be magical. > > Janet Cantor > > On Saturday, November 5, 2022, 10:38:07 AM EDT, Henry P. Mills III < > wppdirector at gmail.com> wrote: > > > Dear Percy-L: > > Members may be interested in this news of a future Percy novel film. Is > the Second Coming more adaptive to the big screen than the Moviegoer? > > I wonder what novel members of the community think would be best suited > for a feature-length film? It?d be interesting to hear the community?s > responses. Is Second Coming the most likely one? > > Best wishes, > Henry Mills > > > ---- > Aaron Magnani Developing Film Adaptation Of Walker Percy Novel ?The Second > Coming?; Peter Arneson Set As Screenwriter > > Aaron Magnani has optioned screen rights to Walker Percy?s New York Times > bestseller The Second Coming, with plans to develop the novel for film. > He?s currently in search of a director for the adaptation and will produce > via under his Aaron Magnani Productions banner. Peter Arneson adapted the > script and will executive produce. > > The story centers on a wealthy, suicidal widower who searches for proof of > God but finds much more when he meets a young woman fugitive from a mental > hospital. Influenced by the real-life suicides of Percy?s father and > grandfather and suspected suicide of his mother, the plot combines comedy, > tragedy and romance, with themes of alienation and redemption. > > ?This story is very relatable to the world we have been living in,? said > Magnani. ?And the adaptation is as much a director?s piece as an actor?s > piece and incredible character study.? > > > Continue reading at ? > < > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__deadline.com_2022_03_aaron-2Dmagnani-2Ddeveloping-2Dwalker-2Dpercy-2Dnovel-2Dthe-2Dsecond-2Dcoming-2Dfor-2Dfilm-2D1234981570_&d=DwMFaQ&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=MPqL-JqzKEP1_tqQMCtzQEIJ8sNv19st3TM2Q1X2TCU&m=NfRmwuJFpTwU96M_kHBZIprVT28QDbtyAHvd2i3UwYM&s=1qadhJskth97vBvr70Mu1f4spzt4xLyxk7iBkXhd4cA&e= > > > https://deadline.com/2022/03/aaron-magnani-developing-walker-percy-novel-the-second-coming-for-film-1234981570/ > < > 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URL: From rhonda_mcdonnell at msn.com Sat Nov 5 22:13:21 2022 From: rhonda_mcdonnell at msn.com (RHONDA MCDONNELL) Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2022 02:13:21 +0000 Subject: [percy-l] Percy and the movies and such In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Always good to see the list having some activity!! Regarding The Second Coming, I fear the best of it will be lost in a film translation. I?ve always been a bit unsettled at the age gap between Will and Allie, and I wonder if that wouldn?t be accentuated while the spiritual element would be lost entirely? We?ll just have to wait and see I suppose. We?ve yet to see Percy make it to screen. I agree with Janet that Thanatos might be an easier translation to screen, though I suspect the child abuse would need to be downplayed. I suspect though that the Nazi connection wouldn?t make it at all. As for any other aspects, I see the worst of science and social machinations combined in Van Dorn and Comeaux?none of which needs be political in my estimation. However, I have always held the view that literature is conversation between reader and text. There is certainly room for varying interpretations of any text, and the times do influence how we see a text. Percy was pretty liberal in his day, but during the pandemic I was in a book club that read Love in the Ruins, and the younger folks in the group were offended at Percy?s language. They saw him as something of a racist and couldn?t get past it. I guess this is all to say that whatever Percy intended, how the reader takes his meaning is partly up to the reader. My best to all, Rhonda Sent from my iPhone On Nov 5, 2022, at 4:45 PM, Michael Larson wrote: ? Karl, two questions: 1) Do you think Percy was enamored of scientism? 2) What do you think he was after in Thanatos? Mike Larson On Sat, Nov 5, 2022 at 1:07 PM > wrote: Send Percy-L mailing list submissions to percy-l at lists.ibiblio.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/percy-l or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to percy-l-request at lists.ibiblio.org You can reach the person managing the list at percy-l-owner at lists.ibiblio.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Percy-L digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Adaptation of Walker Percy Novel ?The Second Coming? - Aaron Magnani (Producer) (Karl M. Terrell) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2022 18:00:15 +0000 From: "Karl M. Terrell" > To: "janetcantor37 at yahoo.com" >, "Percy-L: Literary, Religious, Scientific, and Philosophical Discussion" > Subject: Re: [percy-l] Adaptation of Walker Percy Novel ?The Second Coming? - Aaron Magnani (Producer) Message-ID: <39157957-C2B6-4313-8605-333FF77E7A63 at stokeswagner.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" I would hope, though, that any moviemaker of Thanatos would not cheaply politicize it as a critique of liberalism (either in the broad classic sense or under the ?liberal? label in American politics), or as an endorsement of the current right-wing?s fetishistic misunderstanding of expertise based on real science. Percy was after something altogether different. Karl Terrell Sent from my iPhone On Nov 5, 2022, at 11:16 AM, janetcantor37--- via Percy-L > wrote: ? I would like to see any good adaptation of any Percy novel. I think the easiest for adaptation would be The Thanatos Syndrome. It is wild enough to illustrate today's choices about how our authorities handled Covid and vaccinations, and about how the ruling class imposes its ideas of what is going on in the planet and casually ruins our lives and our economy as they go about it. Look how the novel matches how do gooders who think they know what is best for everyone else often forget that others' personal freedom and happiness must not be ignored while they are "helping" the world. There is also that plot about Nazis in the novel that comes from Percy's own pivotal experience of seeing some Nazi Youth when he was a young boy and being viscerally changed by that and never forgetting that scary feeling. There is so much talk about Nazis these days, even that subplot is relevant. A side comment: Percy hated the Nazis and used that subplot in an attempt to give the reader the same terror he understood about tyranny and how it can become normalcy so easily. He was balancing that against the "good intentions" of those who were wrongheadedly giving the happy juice to everyone to bring peace and calm into the world. Yet someone in my book group, a very intelligent woman read that and hated the book because she didn't like the way Percy was minimizing and mocking the Holocaust. She missed Percy's point completely. Another woman there made the pithiest comment on the novel. "Just because we are able to do something does not always mean we should do it." I think The Thanatos Syndrome could be a perfect novel to adapt today. Wouldn't it be wonderful if movie makers could at last see that these novels were prescient and could entertain us yet give us all food for thought. I wonder if any adaptation of The Second Coming could be successful. It isa strange story, but if it could be pulled off, it could be magical. Janet Cantor On Saturday, November 5, 2022, 10:38:07 AM EDT, Henry P. Mills III > wrote: Dear Percy-L: Members may be interested in this news of a future Percy novel film. Is the Second Coming more adaptive to the big screen than the Moviegoer? I wonder what novel members of the community think would be best suited for a feature-length film? It?d be interesting to hear the community?s responses. Is Second Coming the most likely one? Best wishes, Henry Mills ---- Aaron Magnani Developing Film Adaptation Of Walker Percy Novel ?The Second Coming?; Peter Arneson Set As Screenwriter Aaron Magnani has optioned screen rights to Walker Percy?s New York Times bestseller The Second Coming, with plans to develop the novel for film. He?s currently in search of a director for the adaptation and will produce via under his Aaron Magnani Productions banner. Peter Arneson adapted the script and will executive produce. The story centers on a wealthy, suicidal widower who searches for proof of God but finds much more when he meets a young woman fugitive from a mental hospital. Influenced by the real-life suicides of Percy?s father and grandfather and suspected suicide of his mother, the plot combines comedy, tragedy and romance, with themes of alienation and redemption. ?This story is very relatable to the world we have been living in,? said Magnani. ?And the adaptation is as much a director?s piece as an actor?s piece and incredible character study.? 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URL: From dabeck at iupui.edu Sat Nov 5 22:41:56 2022 From: dabeck at iupui.edu (Beck, David A) Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2022 02:41:56 +0000 Subject: [percy-l] Percy and the movies and such In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Rhonda, et al, I know the book club. ? We live in a different time. I'm not sure what can be taught and what can't be taught, in the age of super-sensitivity. Next year will be my final year in academia. I loved it from the beginning, but, like most instructors in the humanities, I'm glad to get out, though sad at the same time. Everything has changed, including the lack of lit courses to teach. I used to teach Percy, but our lit courses have been narrowed to so few that I can't teach Percy or lit again. But, on topic, I always thought, given a creative director and script writer, Lancelot could make a great movie, with flashbacks from his cell. -David David Beck Senior Lecturer English Department Indiana University and Purdue University at Indianapolis 425 University Boulevard, CA 343-E Indianapolis, IN 46202 317-278-2550 ________________________________ From: Percy-L on behalf of RHONDA MCDONNELL Sent: Saturday, November 5, 2022 10:13 PM To: Percy-L: Literary, Religious, Scientific, and Philosophical Discussion Subject: [External] [percy-l] Percy and the movies and such This message was sent from a non-IU address. Please exercise caution when clicking links or opening attachments from external sources. Always good to see the list having some activity!! Regarding The Second Coming, I fear the best of it will be lost in a film translation. I?ve always been a bit unsettled at the age gap between Will and Allie, and I wonder if that wouldn?t be accentuated while the spiritual element would be lost entirely? We?ll just have to wait and see I suppose. We?ve yet to see Percy make it to screen. I agree with Janet that Thanatos might be an easier translation to screen, though I suspect the child abuse would need to be downplayed. I suspect though that the Nazi connection wouldn?t make it at all. As for any other aspects, I see the worst of science and social machinations combined in Van Dorn and Comeaux?none of which needs be political in my estimation. However, I have always held the view that literature is conversation between reader and text. There is certainly room for varying interpretations of any text, and the times do influence how we see a text. Percy was pretty liberal in his day, but during the pandemic I was in a book club that read Love in the Ruins, and the younger folks in the group were offended at Percy?s language. They saw him as something of a racist and couldn?t get past it. I guess this is all to say that whatever Percy intended, how the reader takes his meaning is partly up to the reader. My best to all, Rhonda Sent from my iPhone On Nov 5, 2022, at 4:45 PM, Michael Larson wrote: ? Karl, two questions: 1) Do you think Percy was enamored of scientism? 2) What do you think he was after in Thanatos? Mike Larson On Sat, Nov 5, 2022 at 1:07 PM > wrote: Send Percy-L mailing list submissions to percy-l at lists.ibiblio.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/percy-l or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to percy-l-request at lists.ibiblio.org You can reach the person managing the list at percy-l-owner at lists.ibiblio.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Percy-L digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Adaptation of Walker Percy Novel ?The Second Coming? - Aaron Magnani (Producer) (Karl M. Terrell) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2022 18:00:15 +0000 From: "Karl M. Terrell" > To: "janetcantor37 at yahoo.com" >, "Percy-L: Literary, Religious, Scientific, and Philosophical Discussion" > Subject: Re: [percy-l] Adaptation of Walker Percy Novel ?The Second Coming? - Aaron Magnani (Producer) Message-ID: <39157957-C2B6-4313-8605-333FF77E7A63 at stokeswagner.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" I would hope, though, that any moviemaker of Thanatos would not cheaply politicize it as a critique of liberalism (either in the broad classic sense or under the ?liberal? label in American politics), or as an endorsement of the current right-wing?s fetishistic misunderstanding of expertise based on real science. Percy was after something altogether different. Karl Terrell Sent from my iPhone On Nov 5, 2022, at 11:16 AM, janetcantor37--- via Percy-L > wrote: ? I would like to see any good adaptation of any Percy novel. I think the easiest for adaptation would be The Thanatos Syndrome. It is wild enough to illustrate today's choices about how our authorities handled Covid and vaccinations, and about how the ruling class imposes its ideas of what is going on in the planet and casually ruins our lives and our economy as they go about it. Look how the novel matches how do gooders who think they know what is best for everyone else often forget that others' personal freedom and happiness must not be ignored while they are "helping" the world. There is also that plot about Nazis in the novel that comes from Percy's own pivotal experience of seeing some Nazi Youth when he was a young boy and being viscerally changed by that and never forgetting that scary feeling. There is so much talk about Nazis these days, even that subplot is relevant. A side comment: Percy hated the Nazis and used that subplot in an attempt to give the reader the same terror he understood about tyranny and how it can become normalcy so easily. He was balancing that against the "good intentions" of those who were wrongheadedly giving the happy juice to everyone to bring peace and calm into the world. Yet someone in my book group, a very intelligent woman read that and hated the book because she didn't like the way Percy was minimizing and mocking the Holocaust. She missed Percy's point completely. Another woman there made the pithiest comment on the novel. "Just because we are able to do something does not always mean we should do it." I think The Thanatos Syndrome could be a perfect novel to adapt today. Wouldn't it be wonderful if movie makers could at last see that these novels were prescient and could entertain us yet give us all food for thought. I wonder if any adaptation of The Second Coming could be successful. It isa strange story, but if it could be pulled off, it could be magical. Janet Cantor On Saturday, November 5, 2022, 10:38:07 AM EDT, Henry P. Mills III > wrote: Dear Percy-L: Members may be interested in this news of a future Percy novel film. Is the Second Coming more adaptive to the big screen than the Moviegoer? I wonder what novel members of the community think would be best suited for a feature-length film? It?d be interesting to hear the community?s responses. Is Second Coming the most likely one? Best wishes, Henry Mills ---- Aaron Magnani Developing Film Adaptation Of Walker Percy Novel ?The Second Coming?; Peter Arneson Set As Screenwriter Aaron Magnani has optioned screen rights to Walker Percy?s New York Times bestseller The Second Coming, with plans to develop the novel for film. He?s currently in search of a director for the adaptation and will produce via under his Aaron Magnani Productions banner. Peter Arneson adapted the script and will executive produce. The story centers on a wealthy, suicidal widower who searches for proof of God but finds much more when he meets a young woman fugitive from a mental hospital. Influenced by the real-life suicides of Percy?s father and grandfather and suspected suicide of his mother, the plot combines comedy, tragedy and romance, with themes of alienation and redemption. ?This story is very relatable to the world we have been living in,? said Magnani. ?And the adaptation is as much a director?s piece as an actor?s piece and incredible character study.? 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We must get back to reading literature from the perspectives of the authors and their times and experiences instead of putting on authors the weight of the reigning orthodoxy.Janet Cantor On Sat, Nov 5, 2022 at 10:43 PM, Beck, David A wrote: ---------------------------------- USING PERCY-L * Read Percy-L Charter and Policies: https://ibiblio.org/wpercy/listserv/charter-policies.html * Manage Your Membership: https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/percy-l * Submit a Post to Percy-L: percy-l at lists.ibiblio.org * Contact the Listserv Manager: percy.listserv.manager at gmail.com LISTSERV ARCHIVES * View Percy-L Discussion Archives: https://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/percy-l/ * Search Percy-L Discussion Archives: https://www.ibiblio.org/wpercy/listserv/how-to-search-archives.html THE WALKER PERCY PROJECT * Visit The Walker Percy Project website: https://www.ibiblio.org/wpercy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rhonda_mcdonnell at msn.com Sun Nov 6 00:51:42 2022 From: rhonda_mcdonnell at msn.com (RHONDA MCDONNELL) Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2022 04:51:42 +0000 Subject: [percy-l] Percy and the movies and such In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: David and all, I once tried to write a Lancelot script during my PhD studies. It wasn?t very good as a movie?I think I erred by being overly faithful to the book. However, it was a fun exercise, and Nikki Barranger was kind enough to give it a read for me. I agree that it could work well?with the right writer! The state of the humanities sure ain?t what it used to be. Maybe that?s as it should be though it doesn?t feel like it. Now students can take courses on things like game narrative?I can?t figure how you?d prepare for it ?perhaps a group gaming session? Ah I grow old, I grow old ?. Rhonda Sent from my iPhone On Nov 5, 2022, at 10:43 PM, Beck, David A wrote: ? Rhonda, et al, I know the book club. ? We live in a different time. I'm not sure what can be taught and what can't be taught, in the age of super-sensitivity. Next year will be my final year in academia. I loved it from the beginning, but, like most instructors in the humanities, I'm glad to get out, though sad at the same time. Everything has changed, including the lack of lit courses to teach. I used to teach Percy, but our lit courses have been narrowed to so few that I can't teach Percy or lit again. But, on topic, I always thought, given a creative director and script writer, Lancelot could make a great movie, with flashbacks from his cell. -David David Beck Senior Lecturer English Department Indiana University and Purdue University at Indianapolis 425 University Boulevard, CA 343-E Indianapolis, IN 46202 317-278-2550 ________________________________ From: Percy-L on behalf of RHONDA MCDONNELL Sent: Saturday, November 5, 2022 10:13 PM To: Percy-L: Literary, Religious, Scientific, and Philosophical Discussion Subject: [External] [percy-l] Percy and the movies and such This message was sent from a non-IU address. Please exercise caution when clicking links or opening attachments from external sources. Always good to see the list having some activity!! Regarding The Second Coming, I fear the best of it will be lost in a film translation. I?ve always been a bit unsettled at the age gap between Will and Allie, and I wonder if that wouldn?t be accentuated while the spiritual element would be lost entirely? We?ll just have to wait and see I suppose. We?ve yet to see Percy make it to screen. I agree with Janet that Thanatos might be an easier translation to screen, though I suspect the child abuse would need to be downplayed. I suspect though that the Nazi connection wouldn?t make it at all. As for any other aspects, I see the worst of science and social machinations combined in Van Dorn and Comeaux?none of which needs be political in my estimation. However, I have always held the view that literature is conversation between reader and text. There is certainly room for varying interpretations of any text, and the times do influence how we see a text. Percy was pretty liberal in his day, but during the pandemic I was in a book club that read Love in the Ruins, and the younger folks in the group were offended at Percy?s language. They saw him as something of a racist and couldn?t get past it. I guess this is all to say that whatever Percy intended, how the reader takes his meaning is partly up to the reader. My best to all, Rhonda Sent from my iPhone On Nov 5, 2022, at 4:45 PM, Michael Larson wrote: ? Karl, two questions: 1) Do you think Percy was enamored of scientism? 2) What do you think he was after in Thanatos? Mike Larson On Sat, Nov 5, 2022 at 1:07 PM > wrote: Send Percy-L mailing list submissions to percy-l at lists.ibiblio.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/percy-l or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to percy-l-request at lists.ibiblio.org You can reach the person managing the list at percy-l-owner at lists.ibiblio.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Percy-L digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Adaptation of Walker Percy Novel ?The Second Coming? - Aaron Magnani (Producer) (Karl M. Terrell) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2022 18:00:15 +0000 From: "Karl M. Terrell" > To: "janetcantor37 at yahoo.com" >, "Percy-L: Literary, Religious, Scientific, and Philosophical Discussion" > Subject: Re: [percy-l] Adaptation of Walker Percy Novel ?The Second Coming? - Aaron Magnani (Producer) Message-ID: <39157957-C2B6-4313-8605-333FF77E7A63 at stokeswagner.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" I would hope, though, that any moviemaker of Thanatos would not cheaply politicize it as a critique of liberalism (either in the broad classic sense or under the ?liberal? label in American politics), or as an endorsement of the current right-wing?s fetishistic misunderstanding of expertise based on real science. Percy was after something altogether different. Karl Terrell Sent from my iPhone On Nov 5, 2022, at 11:16 AM, janetcantor37--- via Percy-L > wrote: ? I would like to see any good adaptation of any Percy novel. I think the easiest for adaptation would be The Thanatos Syndrome. It is wild enough to illustrate today's choices about how our authorities handled Covid and vaccinations, and about how the ruling class imposes its ideas of what is going on in the planet and casually ruins our lives and our economy as they go about it. Look how the novel matches how do gooders who think they know what is best for everyone else often forget that others' personal freedom and happiness must not be ignored while they are "helping" the world. There is also that plot about Nazis in the novel that comes from Percy's own pivotal experience of seeing some Nazi Youth when he was a young boy and being viscerally changed by that and never forgetting that scary feeling. There is so much talk about Nazis these days, even that subplot is relevant. A side comment: Percy hated the Nazis and used that subplot in an attempt to give the reader the same terror he understood about tyranny and how it can become normalcy so easily. He was balancing that against the "good intentions" of those who were wrongheadedly giving the happy juice to everyone to bring peace and calm into the world. Yet someone in my book group, a very intelligent woman read that and hated the book because she didn't like the way Percy was minimizing and mocking the Holocaust. She missed Percy's point completely. Another woman there made the pithiest comment on the novel. "Just because we are able to do something does not always mean we should do it." I think The Thanatos Syndrome could be a perfect novel to adapt today. Wouldn't it be wonderful if movie makers could at last see that these novels were prescient and could entertain us yet give us all food for thought. I wonder if any adaptation of The Second Coming could be successful. It isa strange story, but if it could be pulled off, it could be magical. Janet Cantor On Saturday, November 5, 2022, 10:38:07 AM EDT, Henry P. Mills III > wrote: Dear Percy-L: Members may be interested in this news of a future Percy novel film. Is the Second Coming more adaptive to the big screen than the Moviegoer? I wonder what novel members of the community think would be best suited for a feature-length film? It?d be interesting to hear the community?s responses. Is Second Coming the most likely one? Best wishes, Henry Mills ---- Aaron Magnani Developing Film Adaptation Of Walker Percy Novel ?The Second Coming?; Peter Arneson Set As Screenwriter Aaron Magnani has optioned screen rights to Walker Percy?s New York Times bestseller The Second Coming, with plans to develop the novel for film. He?s currently in search of a director for the adaptation and will produce via under his Aaron Magnani Productions banner. Peter Arneson adapted the script and will executive produce. The story centers on a wealthy, suicidal widower who searches for proof of God but finds much more when he meets a young woman fugitive from a mental hospital. Influenced by the real-life suicides of Percy?s father and grandfather and suspected suicide of his mother, the plot combines comedy, tragedy and romance, with themes of alienation and redemption. ?This story is very relatable to the world we have been living in,? said Magnani. ?And the adaptation is as much a director?s piece as an actor?s piece and incredible character study.? 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URL: From kterrell at stokeswagner.com Sun Nov 6 14:54:15 2022 From: kterrell at stokeswagner.com (Karl M. Terrell) Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2022 19:54:15 +0000 Subject: [percy-l] Percy-L Digest, Vol 176, Issue 3 Message-ID: <395E0ACC-1BBF-4786-8685-D514D7431193@stokeswagner.com> ? Hi Mike. Thank you for your questions, but just so you know up front: I am not a scholar of Percy, like quite a few on this list; I?m just a layman lover of his prose and insights. It has, also, been many years since I last read Thanatos ?. and so I shall lay low in answering your question about his intentions when writing that particular story. Your first question is interesting to me: Was Percy enamored of scientism? I had to look that word up, to be certain on the import of your question. Webster gives two definitions: 1. methods and attitudes typical of or attributed to the natural scientist 2. an exaggerated trust in the efficacy of the methods of natural science applied to all areas of investigation (as in philosophy, the social sciences, and the humanities) Percy studied medicine, and was therefore schooled in science. I think it?s more than safe to say, however, that he didn?t place an ?exaggerated trust? in science. His thinking was quite to the contrary, as reflected in this well-known quote from Lost in the Cosmos: ?You live in a deranged age - more deranged than usual, because despite great scientific and technological advances, man has not the faintest idea of who he is or what he is doing.? In saying this, however, Percy was not expressing a distrust of science. He was focused more on the fact that a person can still fail ? despite the undeniable advances of scientific knowledge ? to see himself (or herself), or to see or understand his (or her) place in the ?cosmos.? And perhaps he thought the scientific advances are the cause of some of this dislocation ? I?ll leave that question to the scholars here. In any event, I don?t think Percy would, for example, join the ranks of today?s science deniers on the right. I think, moreover, that he would be quite disturbed by the difficulty so many have today ? due to polarization, and folks living in information silos ? with understanding just basic facts (such as the fact that the 2020 election was not stolen). Anyway ? my thoughts. Karl Terrell On Nov 5, 2022, at 4:45 PM, Michael Larson wrote: ? Karl, two questions: 1) Do you think Percy was enamored of scientism? 2) What do you think he was after in Thanatos? Mike Larson On Sat, Nov 5, 2022 at 1:07 PM > wrote: Send Percy-L mailing list submissions to percy-l at lists.ibiblio.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/percy-l or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to percy-l-request at lists.ibiblio.org You can reach the person managing the list at percy-l-owner at lists.ibiblio.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Percy-L digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Adaptation of Walker Percy Novel ?The Second Coming? - Aaron Magnani (Producer) (Karl M. Terrell) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2022 18:00:15 +0000 From: "Karl M. Terrell" > To: "janetcantor37 at yahoo.com" >, "Percy-L: Literary, Religious, Scientific, and Philosophical Discussion" > Subject: Re: [percy-l] Adaptation of Walker Percy Novel ?The Second Coming? - Aaron Magnani (Producer) Message-ID: <39157957-C2B6-4313-8605-333FF77E7A63 at stokeswagner.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" I would hope, though, that any moviemaker of Thanatos would not cheaply politicize it as a critique of liberalism (either in the broad classic sense or under the ?liberal? label in American politics), or as an endorsement of the current right-wing?s fetishistic misunderstanding of expertise based on real science. Percy was after something altogether different. Karl Terrell Sent from my iPhone On Nov 5, 2022, at 11:16 AM, janetcantor37--- via Percy-L > wrote: ? I would like to see any good adaptation of any Percy novel. I think the easiest for adaptation would be The Thanatos Syndrome. It is wild enough to illustrate today's choices about how our authorities handled Covid and vaccinations, and about how the ruling class imposes its ideas of what is going on in the planet and casually ruins our lives and our economy as they go about it. Look how the novel matches how do gooders who think they know what is best for everyone else often forget that others' personal freedom and happiness must not be ignored while they are "helping" the world. There is also that plot about Nazis in the novel that comes from Percy's own pivotal experience of seeing some Nazi Youth when he was a young boy and being viscerally changed by that and never forgetting that scary feeling. There is so much talk about Nazis these days, even that subplot is relevant. A side comment: Percy hated the Nazis and used that subplot in an attempt to give the reader the same terror he understood about tyranny and how it can become normalcy so easily. He was balancing that against the "good intentions" of those who were wrongheadedly giving the happy juice to everyone to bring peace and calm into the world. Yet someone in my book group, a very intelligent woman read that and hated the book because she didn't like the way Percy was minimizing and mocking the Holocaust. She missed Percy's point completely. Another woman there made the pithiest comment on the novel. "Just because we are able to do something does not always mean we should do it." I think The Thanatos Syndrome could be a perfect novel to adapt today. Wouldn't it be wonderful if movie makers could at last see that these novels were prescient and could entertain us yet give us all food for thought. I wonder if any adaptation of The Second Coming could be successful. It isa strange story, but if it could be pulled off, it could be magical. Janet Cantor On Saturday, November 5, 2022, 10:38:07 AM EDT, Henry P. Mills III > wrote: Dear Percy-L: Members may be interested in this news of a future Percy novel film. Is the Second Coming more adaptive to the big screen than the Moviegoer? I wonder what novel members of the community think would be best suited for a feature-length film? It?d be interesting to hear the community?s responses. Is Second Coming the most likely one? Best wishes, Henry Mills ---- Aaron Magnani Developing Film Adaptation Of Walker Percy Novel ?The Second Coming?; Peter Arneson Set As Screenwriter Aaron Magnani has optioned screen rights to Walker Percy?s New York Times bestseller The Second Coming, with plans to develop the novel for film. He?s currently in search of a director for the adaptation and will produce via under his Aaron Magnani Productions banner. Peter Arneson adapted the script and will executive produce. The story centers on a wealthy, suicidal widower who searches for proof of God but finds much more when he meets a young woman fugitive from a mental hospital. Influenced by the real-life suicides of Percy?s father and grandfather and suspected suicide of his mother, the plot combines comedy, tragedy and romance, with themes of alienation and redemption. ?This story is very relatable to the world we have been living in,? said Magnani. ?And the adaptation is as much a director?s piece as an actor?s piece and incredible character study.? 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URL: From wriddick at usa.net Sat Nov 5 22:51:16 2022 From: wriddick at usa.net (Wade Riddick) Date: Sat, 05 Nov 2022 22:51:16 -0400 Subject: [percy-l] Adapt Lost in the Cosmos, Love in the Ruins Message-ID: <190AkFcYq1744Set.1667703076@web13.cms.usa.net> I'm surprised no on brings up _Lost in the Cosmos_. Parts of it already include a TV talk show format. I believe there's a particular Phil Donahue-esque scene. You could break up the material and release segments on Tik-Tok like clickbait. "The astronomer peering through his telescope discovers ancient miracles in the stars millions of light years away but has no clue why his wife back home down the street is about to leave him. Click here to find out why! Reverse ennui now! Only $1.99 to reverse the alienating effect of reading this social media! All profits help orphan the consciences of media moguls!" The internet is always hawking self-help material and filling up with cults attempting to fill in for AWOL religion. If there's a generation chasing its tail in the horizontal search always short of transcendence, it's the antisocial media phone pod people in their narcissistic interest group bubbles where community goes to die in that great mall-ification of the soul. ("There is no such thing as society," Margaret Thatcher was fond of saying - another '70s figure haunting over us.) Is there any real reason to digitally update Daniel Bell or Neil Postman? The old classics of semiotic criticism in the analog electronic era have weathered the digital transition well. _Love in the Ruins_ would be timely, since the Knotheads again run amok and we are relitigating the 1960s - not to mention Vladimir Putin et al. have reattached the alligator lips of Nazi ideology to the battery of unforgiving nostalgia in an attempt to jump start Hitler's volk agenda. It's another chaotic era of pandemics, falling birthrates and general economic malaise (which I tried to point out in March.) An adaptation, though, might work better with a therapeutic foil like, say, a fallen priest or psychologist against whom Tom bounces his ideas at a bar - say, a humorous stage gimmick amply lubricated with bourbon to coax the inner philosophical dialogue out into dramatic, tense conversation. So... Lost in the Love of the Ruined Cosmos...? Wade Riddick From larsonovic at gmail.com Sat Nov 12 11:47:01 2022 From: larsonovic at gmail.com (Michael Larson) Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2022 10:47:01 -0600 Subject: [percy-l] Percy-L Digest, Vol 176, Issue 8 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Karl, thanks for the response. Sorry for the slow follow-up. I've been sick. I think you are right that Percy did not distrust the scientific method as a means of arriving at certain truths but that he did distrust science as the panacea for humanity's ills, as it has sometimes been presented to be. As you say, "a person can still fail" (despite scientific advancements). I do think, though, that Percy found amusing a certain kind of scientist--whether social or natural-- who sees himself and his scientific knowledge as transcendent to the rest of humanity (i.e. the non-scientists). I'm not sure that election fraud (whether true or not) is a scientific issue, but as far as I can tell, "science deniers" is a media term ascribed not to those who reject uncontested scientific evidence but who reject rather the authoritarian imposition of a particular scientific narrative that actually has considerable dissent, even among the so-called experts. The side of scientific debate that is under the control of those in power gets to call the other side science-deniers even though the opposite might in fact be the case. We saw this during the COVID scare. The world's governments, on national and local scales, operated in lockstep fashion to define the nature of the virus (novel), its origin (bats), its transmissibility (high), its level of danger (lethal), the precautions to be taken (lockdowns, social distancing, and facemasks), the acceptable treatment protocols (Remdesivir and ventilators), and the ultimate solution to be sought (mRNA vaccines). Dissenting scientific voices all over the world were silenced, ostracized, de-credentialed, or, at the very least, studiously ignored by mainstream media outlets. Yet who can reproach the impeccable lethality studies of Stanford's Dr. John Ioannidis? Who can question the calm, scientific reasonability of the Great Barrington Declaration (now signed by over 50,000 medical professionals, including the authors of it: epidemiologists from Oxford, Harvard, and Stanford) in opposition to the lockdowns/isolation/facemask guidelines of the CDC? Who can doubt the medical authority of Dr. Peter McCullough, perhaps the most published cardiologist in the world and the editor of multiple prestigious medical journals, regarding his warnings against the mRNA vaccines? Ditto for pathologist Dr. Ryan Cole, flight surgeon Dr. Theresa Long, immunologist Dr. Sucharit Bhakdi, mRNA co-inventor Dr. Robert Malone, and countless others. Who can argue with the track records of family doctors Kory or Zelenko (again, among countless others) and their protocols of inexpensive successful treatment of thousands of COVID patients? The most vocal of these scientists have suffered great smears and chastisements for their dissent, and any non-scientists who had the fortitude to ferret out these subverted voices and found them to be more scientifically convincing than the mainstream narrative are now called science deniers. What would Percy think of all this? I suspect he would find the whole affair fascinating. I think he would be less interested in which side of the scientific debate was corrent--the official one or the suppressed one--and more interested in what ordinary people did with the things that were thrown at them. And maybe even more than what they did, he would find intriguing their motives and what message(s) they wished to send, consciously or unconsciously, to those around them by the actions they took. Percy was great at profiling "types" of persons and at sensing where the dividing lines are among a population. The COVID extravaganza would have given him endless material to ponder in that regard. Though it may not have been his primary point in Thanatos, the abuse of science is certainly a theme in that novel. Or maybe, more accurately, a backdrop in front of which one can study human nature and the possibility of redemption despite the chaos created by the great planners of society. Mike Larson On Sun, Nov 6, 2022 at 2:03 PM wrote: > Send Percy-L mailing list submissions to > percy-l at lists.ibiblio.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/percy-l > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > percy-l-request at lists.ibiblio.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > percy-l-owner at lists.ibiblio.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Percy-L digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Percy-L Digest, Vol 176, Issue 3 (Karl M. Terrell) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2022 19:54:15 +0000 > From: "Karl M. Terrell" > To: "Percy-L: Literary, Religious, Scientific, and Philosophical > Discussion" > Subject: Re: [percy-l] Percy-L Digest, Vol 176, Issue 3 > Message-ID: <395E0ACC-1BBF-4786-8685-D514D7431193 at stokeswagner.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > ? > Hi Mike. Thank you for your questions, but just so you know up front: I am > not a scholar of Percy, like quite a few on this list; I?m just a layman > lover of his prose and insights. > > It has, also, been many years since I last read Thanatos ?. and so I shall > lay low in answering your question about his intentions when writing that > particular story. > > Your first question is interesting to me: Was Percy enamored of scientism? > I had to look that word up, to be certain on the import of your question. > Webster gives two definitions: > > 1. methods and attitudes typical of or attributed to the natural > scientist > > 2. an exaggerated trust in the efficacy of the methods of natural science > applied to all areas of investigation (as in philosophy, the social > sciences, and the > humanities) > > Percy studied medicine, and was therefore schooled in science. I think > it?s more than safe to say, however, that he didn?t place an ?exaggerated > trust? in science. His thinking was quite to the contrary, as reflected in > this well-known quote from Lost in the Cosmos: > > ?You live in a deranged age - more deranged than usual, because despite > great scientific and technological advances, man has not the faintest idea > of who he is or what he is doing.? > > In saying this, however, Percy was not expressing a distrust of science. > > He was focused more on the fact that a person can still fail ? despite the > undeniable advances of scientific knowledge ? to see himself (or herself), > or to see or understand his (or her) place in the ?cosmos.? And perhaps he > thought the scientific advances are the cause of some of this dislocation ? > I?ll leave that question to the scholars here. > > In any event, I don?t think Percy would, for example, join the ranks of > today?s science deniers on the right. I think, moreover, that he would be > quite disturbed by the difficulty so many have today ? due to polarization, > and folks living in information silos ? with understanding just basic facts > (such as the fact that the 2020 election was not stolen). > > Anyway ? my thoughts. > > Karl Terrell > > On Nov 5, 2022, at 4:45 PM, Michael Larson wrote: > > ? > Karl, two questions: 1) Do you think Percy was enamored of scientism? 2) > What do you think he was after in Thanatos? > > Mike Larson > > On Sat, Nov 5, 2022 at 1:07 PM percy-l-request at lists.ibiblio.org>> wrote: > Send Percy-L mailing list submissions to > percy-l at lists.ibiblio.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > < > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__lists.ibiblio.org_mailman_listinfo_percy-2Dl&d=DwMFaQ&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=MPqL-JqzKEP1_tqQMCtzQEIJ8sNv19st3TM2Q1X2TCU&m=EawVZQm-EDbt97Ua9cDiS5kpc0NsgxaoUrEQ-fcx-TA&s=p6wpjNCpxTSifLlOKwZxqBb-5KgpVUeoVXWMt_ilOdg&e=> > https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/percy-l< > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__lists.ibiblio.org_mailman_listinfo_percy-2Dl&d=DwQFaQ&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=MPqL-JqzKEP1_tqQMCtzQEIJ8sNv19st3TM2Q1X2TCU&m=EawVZQm-EDbt97Ua9cDiS5kpc0NsgxaoUrEQ-fcx-TA&s=p6wpjNCpxTSifLlOKwZxqBb-5KgpVUeoVXWMt_ilOdg&e= > > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > percy-l-request at lists.ibiblio.org percy-l-request at lists.ibiblio.org> > > You can reach the person managing the list at > percy-l-owner at lists.ibiblio.org percy-l-owner at lists.ibiblio.org> > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Percy-L digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Adaptation of Walker Percy Novel ?The Second Coming? - > Aaron Magnani (Producer) (Karl M. Terrell) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2022 18:00:15 +0000 > From: "Karl M. Terrell" kterrell at stokeswagner.com>> > To: "janetcantor37 at yahoo.com" < > janetcantor37 at yahoo.com>, "Percy-L: > Literary, Religious, Scientific, and Philosophical Discussion" > > > Subject: Re: [percy-l] Adaptation of Walker Percy Novel ?The Second > Coming? - Aaron Magnani (Producer) > Message-ID: <39157957-C2B6-4313-8605-333FF77E7A63 at stokeswagner.com 39157957-C2B6-4313-8605-333FF77E7A63 at stokeswagner.com>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > I would hope, though, that any moviemaker of Thanatos would not cheaply > politicize it as a critique of liberalism (either in the broad classic > sense or under the ?liberal? label in American politics), or as an > endorsement of the current right-wing?s fetishistic misunderstanding of > expertise based on real science. > > Percy was after something altogether different. > > Karl Terrell > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Nov 5, 2022, at 11:16 AM, janetcantor37--- via Percy-L < > percy-l at lists.ibiblio.org> wrote: > > ? > I would like to see any good adaptation of any Percy novel. > > I think the easiest for adaptation would be The Thanatos Syndrome. > > It is wild enough to illustrate today's choices about how our authorities > handled Covid and vaccinations, and about how the ruling class imposes its > ideas of what is going on in the planet and casually ruins our lives and > our economy as they go about it. Look how the novel matches how do gooders > who think they know what is best for everyone else often forget that > others' personal freedom and happiness must not be ignored while they are > "helping" the world. > > There is also that plot about Nazis in the novel that comes from Percy's > own pivotal experience of seeing some Nazi Youth when he was a young boy > and being viscerally changed by that and never forgetting that scary > feeling. There is so much talk about Nazis these days, even that subplot is > relevant. > > A side comment: Percy hated the Nazis and used that subplot in an attempt > to give the reader the same terror he understood about tyranny and how it > can become normalcy so easily. He was balancing that against the "good > intentions" of those who were wrongheadedly giving the happy juice to > everyone to bring peace and calm into the world. Yet someone in my book > group, a very intelligent woman read that and hated the book because she > didn't like the way Percy was minimizing and mocking the Holocaust. She > missed Percy's point completely. > > Another woman there made the pithiest comment on the novel. "Just because > we are able to do something does not always mean we should do it." > > I think The Thanatos Syndrome could be a perfect novel to adapt today. > > Wouldn't it be wonderful if movie makers could at last see that these > novels were prescient and could entertain us yet give us all food for > thought. > > I wonder if any adaptation of The Second Coming could be successful. It > isa strange story, but if it could be pulled off, it could be magical. > > Janet Cantor > > On Saturday, November 5, 2022, 10:38:07 AM EDT, Henry P. Mills III < > wppdirector at gmail.com> wrote: > > > Dear Percy-L: > > Members may be interested in this news of a future Percy novel film. Is > the Second Coming more adaptive to the big screen than the Moviegoer? > > I wonder what novel members of the community think would be best suited > for a feature-length film? It?d be interesting to hear the community?s > responses. Is Second Coming the most likely one? > > Best wishes, > Henry Mills > > > ---- > Aaron Magnani Developing Film Adaptation Of Walker Percy Novel ?The Second > Coming?; Peter Arneson Set As Screenwriter > > Aaron Magnani has optioned screen rights to Walker Percy?s New York Times > bestseller The Second Coming, with plans to develop the novel for film. > He?s currently in search of a director for the adaptation and will produce > via under his Aaron Magnani Productions banner. Peter Arneson adapted the > script and will executive produce. > > The story centers on a wealthy, suicidal widower who searches for proof of > God but finds much more when he meets a young woman fugitive from a mental > hospital. Influenced by the real-life suicides of Percy?s father and > grandfather and suspected suicide of his mother, the plot combines comedy, > tragedy and romance, with themes of alienation and redemption. > > ?This story is very relatable to the world we have been living in,? said > Magnani. ?And the adaptation is as much a director?s piece as an actor?s > piece and incredible character study.? > > > Continue reading at ? > < > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__deadline.com_2022_03_aaron-2Dmagnani-2Ddeveloping-2Dwalker-2Dpercy-2Dnovel-2Dthe-2Dsecond-2Dcoming-2Dfor-2Dfilm-2D1234981570_&d=DwMFaQ&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=MPqL-JqzKEP1_tqQMCtzQEIJ8sNv19st3TM2Q1X2TCU&m=NfRmwuJFpTwU96M_kHBZIprVT28QDbtyAHvd2i3UwYM&s=1qadhJskth97vBvr70Mu1f4spzt4xLyxk7iBkXhd4cA&e= > >< > 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URL: From janetcantor37 at yahoo.com Sat Nov 12 12:21:34 2022 From: janetcantor37 at yahoo.com (janetcantor37 at yahoo.com) Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2022 17:21:34 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [percy-l] Fw: Percy-L Digest, Vol 176, Issue 8 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <547889325.171611.1668273694383@mail.yahoo.com> What a fascinating response. Thank you. I remember one doctor who had been called to give evidence before a congressional committee. And at one point in his responses, he became very emotional and broke down. He choked up and said, "I cannot bear it, knowing what I know. We could have saved 80% of those who have died so far because certain treatments became demonized."? Imagine that. 80%. If you were a doctor and knew that, what a weight to carry.? The powers that be would not permit certain treatments known to work. How do you explain that? I'd guess follow the money. Science isn't about consensus. It is about trial and error and sharing info.? Janet Cantor Karl, thanks for the response. Sorry for the slow follow-up. I've been sick. I think you are right that Percy did not distrust the scientific method as a means of arriving at certain truths but that he did distrust science as the panacea for humanity's ills, as it has sometimes been presented to be. As you say, "a person can still fail" (despite scientific advancements). I do think, though, that Percy found amusing a certain kind of scientist--whether social or natural-- who sees himself and his scientific knowledge as transcendent to the rest of humanity (i.e. the non-scientists). I'm not sure that election fraud (whether true or not) is a scientific issue, but as far as I can tell, "science deniers" is a media term ascribed not to those who reject uncontested scientific evidence but who reject rather the authoritarian imposition of a particular scientific narrative that actually has considerable dissent, even among the so-called experts. The side of scientific debate that is under the control of those in power gets to call the other side science-deniers even though the opposite might in fact be the case. We saw this during the COVID scare. The world's governments, on national and local scales, operated in lockstep fashion to define the nature of the virus (novel), its origin (bats), its transmissibility (high), its level of danger (lethal), the precautions to be taken (lockdowns, social distancing, and facemasks), the acceptable treatment protocols (Remdesivir and ventilators), and the ultimate solution to be sought (mRNA vaccines). Dissenting scientific voices all over the world were silenced, ostracized, de-credentialed, or, at the very least, studiously ignored by mainstream media outlets. Yet who can reproach the impeccable lethality studies of Stanford's Dr. John Ioannidis? Who can question the calm, scientific reasonability of the Great Barrington Declaration (now signed by over 50,000 medical professionals, including the authors of it: epidemiologists from Oxford, Harvard, and Stanford) in opposition to the lockdowns/isolation/facemask guidelines of the CDC? Who can doubt the medical authority of Dr. Peter McCullough, perhaps the most published cardiologist in the world and the editor of multiple prestigious medical journals, regarding his warnings against the mRNA vaccines? Ditto for pathologist Dr. Ryan Cole, flight surgeon Dr. Theresa Long, immunologist Dr. Sucharit Bhakdi, mRNA co-inventor Dr. Robert Malone, and countless others. Who can argue with the track records of family doctors Kory or Zelenko (again, among countless others) and their protocols of inexpensive successful treatment of thousands of COVID patients? The most vocal of these scientists have suffered great smears and chastisements for their dissent, and any non-scientists who had the fortitude to ferret out these subverted voices and found them to be more scientifically convincing than the mainstream narrative are now called science deniers. What would Percy think of all this? I suspect he would find the whole affair fascinating. I think he would be less interested in which side of the scientific debate was corrent--the official one or the suppressed one--and more interested in what ordinary people did with the things that were thrown at them. And maybe even more than what they did, he would find intriguing their motives and what message(s) they wished to send, consciously or unconsciously, to those around them by the actions they took. Percy was great at profiling "types" of persons and at sensing where the dividing lines are among a population. The COVID extravaganza would have given him endless material to ponder in that regard. Though it may not have been his primary point in Thanatos, the abuse of science is certainly a theme in that novel. Or maybe, more accurately, a backdrop in front of which one can study human nature and the possibility of redemption despite the chaos created by the great planners of society. Mike Larson On Sun, Nov 6, 2022 at 2:03 PM wrote: Send Percy-L mailing list submissions to ? ? ? ? percy-l at lists.ibiblio.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit ? ? ? ? https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/percy-l or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ? ? ? ? percy-l-request at lists.ibiblio.org You can reach the person managing the list at ? ? ? ? percy-l-owner at lists.ibiblio.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Percy-L digest..." Today's Topics: ? ?1. Re: Percy-L Digest, Vol 176, Issue 3 (Karl M. Terrell) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2022 19:54:15 +0000 From: "Karl M. Terrell" To: "Percy-L: Literary, Religious, Scientific, and Philosophical ? ? ? ? Discussion" Subject: Re: [percy-l] Percy-L Digest, Vol 176, Issue 3 Message-ID: <395E0ACC-1BBF-4786-8685-D514D7431193 at stokeswagner.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" ? Hi Mike. Thank you for your questions, but just so you know up front: I am not a scholar of Percy, like quite a few on this list; I?m just a layman lover of his prose and insights. It has, also, been many years since I last read Thanatos ?. and so I shall lay low in answering your question about his intentions when writing that particular story. Your first question is interesting to me: Was Percy enamored of scientism? I had to look that word up, to be certain on the import of your question. Webster gives two definitions: 1.? methods and attitudes typical of or attributed to the natural scientist 2.? an exaggerated trust in the efficacy of the methods of natural science applied to all areas of investigation (as in philosophy, the social sciences, and the humanities) Percy studied medicine, and was therefore schooled in science. I think it?s more than safe to say, however, that he didn?t place an ?exaggerated trust? in science. His thinking was quite to the contrary, as reflected in this well-known quote from Lost in the Cosmos: ?You live in a deranged age - more deranged than usual, because despite great scientific and technological advances, man has not the faintest idea of who he is or what he is doing.? In saying this, however, Percy was not expressing a distrust of science. He was focused more on the fact that a person can still fail ? despite the undeniable advances of scientific knowledge ? to see himself (or herself), or to see or understand his (or her) place in the ?cosmos.?? And perhaps he thought the scientific advances are the cause of some of this dislocation ? I?ll leave that question to the scholars here. In any event, I don?t think Percy would, for example, join the ranks of today?s science deniers on the right. I think, moreover, that he would be quite disturbed by the difficulty so many have today ? due to polarization, and folks living in information silos ? with understanding just basic facts (such as the fact that the 2020 election was not stolen). Anyway ? my thoughts. Karl Terrell On Nov 5, 2022, at 4:45 PM, Michael Larson wrote: ? Karl, two questions: 1) Do you think Percy was enamored of scientism? 2) What do you think he was after in Thanatos? Mike Larson On Sat, Nov 5, 2022 at 1:07 PM > wrote: Send Percy-L mailing list submissions to ? ? ? ? percy-l at lists.ibiblio.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit ? ? ? ? https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/percy-l or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ? ? ? ? percy-l-request at lists.ibiblio.org You can reach the person managing the list at ? ? ? ? percy-l-owner at lists.ibiblio.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Percy-L digest..." Today's Topics: ? ?1. Re:? Adaptation of Walker Percy Novel ?The Second Coming? - ? ? ? Aaron Magnani (Producer) (Karl M. Terrell) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2022 18:00:15 +0000 From: "Karl M. Terrell" > To: "janetcantor37 at yahoo.com" >, "Percy-L: ? ? ? ? Literary, Religious, Scientific, and Philosophical Discussion" ? ? ? ? > Subject: Re: [percy-l]? Adaptation of Walker Percy Novel ?The Second ? ? ? ? Coming? - Aaron Magnani (Producer) Message-ID: <39157957-C2B6-4313-8605-333FF77E7A63 at stokeswagner.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" I would hope, though, that any moviemaker of Thanatos would not cheaply politicize it as a critique of liberalism (either in the broad classic sense or under the ?liberal? label in American politics), or as an endorsement of the current right-wing?s fetishistic misunderstanding of expertise based on real science. Percy was after something altogether different. Karl Terrell Sent from my iPhone On Nov 5, 2022, at 11:16 AM, janetcantor37--- via Percy-L > wrote: ? I would like to see any good adaptation of any Percy novel. I think the easiest for adaptation would be The Thanatos Syndrome. It is wild enough to illustrate today's choices about how our authorities handled Covid and vaccinations, and about how the ruling class imposes its ideas of what is going on in the planet and casually ruins our lives and our economy as they go about it. Look how the novel matches how do gooders who think they know what is best for everyone else often forget that others' personal freedom and happiness must not be ignored while they are "helping" the world. There is also that plot about Nazis in the novel that comes from Percy's own pivotal experience of seeing some Nazi Youth when he was a young boy and being viscerally changed by that and never forgetting that scary feeling. There is so much talk about Nazis these days, even that subplot is relevant. A side comment: Percy hated the Nazis and used that subplot in an attempt to give the reader the same terror he understood about tyranny and how it can become normalcy so easily. He was balancing that against the "good intentions" of those who were wrongheadedly giving the happy juice to everyone to bring peace and calm into the world. Yet someone in my book group, a very intelligent woman read that and hated the book because she didn't like the way Percy was minimizing and mocking the Holocaust. She missed Percy's point completely. Another woman there made the pithiest comment on the novel. "Just because we are able to do something does not always mean we should do it." I think The Thanatos Syndrome could be a perfect novel to adapt today. Wouldn't it be wonderful if movie makers could at last see that these novels were prescient and could entertain us yet give us all food for thought. I wonder if any adaptation of The Second Coming could be successful. It isa strange story, but if it could be pulled off, it could be magical. Janet Cantor On Saturday, November 5, 2022, 10:38:07 AM EDT, Henry P. Mills III > wrote: Dear Percy-L: Members may be interested in this news of a future Percy novel film. Is the Second Coming more adaptive to the big screen than the Moviegoer? I wonder what novel members of the community think would be best suited for a feature-length film? It?d be interesting to hear the community?s responses.? Is Second Coming the most likely one? Best wishes, Henry Mills ---- Aaron Magnani Developing Film Adaptation Of Walker Percy Novel ?The Second Coming?; Peter Arneson Set As Screenwriter Aaron Magnani has optioned screen rights to Walker Percy?s New York Times bestseller The Second Coming, with plans to develop the novel for film. He?s currently in search of a director for the adaptation and will produce via under his Aaron Magnani Productions banner. Peter Arneson adapted the script and will executive produce. The story centers on a wealthy, suicidal widower who searches for proof of God but finds much more when he meets a young woman fugitive from a mental hospital. Influenced by the real-life suicides of Percy?s father and grandfather and suspected suicide of his mother, the plot combines comedy, tragedy and romance, with themes of alienation and redemption. ?This story is very relatable to the world we have been living in,? said Magnani. ?And the adaptation is as much a director?s piece as an actor?s piece and incredible character study.? 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URL: From larsonovic at gmail.com Sat Nov 12 16:58:06 2022 From: larsonovic at gmail.com (Michael Larson) Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2022 15:58:06 -0600 Subject: [percy-l] Percy-L Digest, Vol 176, Issue 6 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: David, Yes, from the first moment I started reading Lancelot ("Come in to my cell"), I thought it would be a great film if it were in the hands of a great filmmaker. After reading all the novels, I still think it is the most filmic, but I would love to see any of them done well. Though I am a great admirer of some of Terrence Malick's work, I found his (extremely) loose approximation of The Moviegoer ("Knight of Cups," starring Christian Bale, whose acting I normally admire as well) to be boringly self-indulgent cinematographic doodling. To be fair, I only watched it once, but I couldn't stay awake, so maybe I missed something worthwhile in it. I would be much more interested in seeing Malick, on a shorter interpretive leash, making Lancelot. That would be a very interesting film. Even better might be Christopher Nolan directing, with Christian Bale as Lance. I think all the Percy novels--and Lost in the Cosmos, as Wade Riddick suggests--have strong potential as films, and as Janet Cantor said, Thanatos is a natural, as is the other Tom More novel, Love in the Ruins. But again, the direction is key. Any of them could be awful in the wrong hands. Mike Larson On Sat, Nov 5, 2022 at 9:43 PM wrote: > Send Percy-L mailing list submissions to > percy-l at lists.ibiblio.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/percy-l > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > percy-l-request at lists.ibiblio.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > percy-l-owner at lists.ibiblio.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Percy-L digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Percy and the movies and such (Beck, David A) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2022 02:41:56 +0000 > From: "Beck, David A" > To: "Percy-L: Literary, Religious, Scientific, and Philosophical > Discussion" > Subject: Re: [percy-l] Percy and the movies and such > Message-ID: > < > CO1PR08MB7221A10309E1EBD7E2E0348BDA3D9 at CO1PR08MB7221.namprd08.prod.outlook.com > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Rhonda, et al, > > I know the book club. ? We live in a different time. I'm not sure what can > be taught and what can't be taught, in the age of super-sensitivity. Next > year will be my final year in academia. I loved it from the beginning, but, > like most instructors in the humanities, I'm glad to get out, though sad at > the same time. Everything has changed, including the lack of lit courses to > teach. I used to teach Percy, but our lit courses have been narrowed to so > few that I can't teach Percy or lit again. > > But, on topic, I always thought, given a creative director and script > writer, Lancelot could make a great movie, with flashbacks from his cell. > > -David > > David Beck > Senior Lecturer > English Department > Indiana University and Purdue University at Indianapolis > 425 University Boulevard, CA 343-E > Indianapolis, IN 46202 > 317-278-2550 > ________________________________ > From: Percy-L on > behalf of RHONDA MCDONNELL > Sent: Saturday, November 5, 2022 10:13 PM > To: Percy-L: Literary, Religious, Scientific, and Philosophical Discussion > > Subject: [External] [percy-l] Percy and the movies and such > > This message was sent from a non-IU address. Please exercise caution when > clicking links or opening attachments from external sources. > > Always good to see the list having some activity!! > > Regarding The Second Coming, I fear the best of it will be lost in a film > translation. I?ve always been a bit unsettled at the age gap between Will > and Allie, and I wonder if that wouldn?t be accentuated while the spiritual > element would be lost entirely? We?ll just have to wait and see I suppose. > We?ve yet to see Percy make it to screen. > > I agree with Janet that Thanatos might be an easier translation to screen, > though I suspect the child abuse would need to be downplayed. I suspect > though that the Nazi connection wouldn?t make it at all. As for any other > aspects, I see the worst of science and social machinations combined in > Van Dorn and Comeaux?none of which needs be political in my estimation. > > However, I have always held the view that literature is conversation > between reader and text. There is certainly room for varying > interpretations of any text, and the times do influence how we see a text. > Percy was pretty liberal in his day, but during the pandemic I was in a > book club that read Love in the Ruins, and the younger folks in the group > were offended at Percy?s language. They saw him as something of a racist > and couldn?t get past it. > > I guess this is all to say that whatever Percy intended, how the reader > takes his meaning is partly up to the reader. > > My best to all, > > Rhonda > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Nov 5, 2022, at 4:45 PM, Michael Larson wrote: > > ? > Karl, two questions: 1) Do you think Percy was enamored of scientism? 2) > What do you think he was after in Thanatos? > > Mike Larson > > On Sat, Nov 5, 2022 at 1:07 PM percy-l-request at lists.ibiblio.org>> wrote: > Send Percy-L mailing list submissions to > percy-l at lists.ibiblio.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/percy-l > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > percy-l-request at lists.ibiblio.org percy-l-request at lists.ibiblio.org> > > You can reach the person managing the list at > percy-l-owner at lists.ibiblio.org percy-l-owner at lists.ibiblio.org> > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Percy-L digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Adaptation of Walker Percy Novel ?The Second Coming? - > Aaron Magnani (Producer) (Karl M. Terrell) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2022 18:00:15 +0000 > From: "Karl M. Terrell" kterrell at stokeswagner.com>> > To: "janetcantor37 at yahoo.com" < > janetcantor37 at yahoo.com>, "Percy-L: > Literary, Religious, Scientific, and Philosophical Discussion" > > > Subject: Re: [percy-l] Adaptation of Walker Percy Novel ?The Second > Coming? - Aaron Magnani (Producer) > Message-ID: <39157957-C2B6-4313-8605-333FF77E7A63 at stokeswagner.com 39157957-C2B6-4313-8605-333FF77E7A63 at stokeswagner.com>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > I would hope, though, that any moviemaker of Thanatos would not cheaply > politicize it as a critique of liberalism (either in the broad classic > sense or under the ?liberal? label in American politics), or as an > endorsement of the current right-wing?s fetishistic misunderstanding of > expertise based on real science. > > Percy was after something altogether different. > > Karl Terrell > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Nov 5, 2022, at 11:16 AM, janetcantor37--- via Percy-L < > percy-l at lists.ibiblio.org> wrote: > > ? > I would like to see any good adaptation of any Percy novel. > > I think the easiest for adaptation would be The Thanatos Syndrome. > > It is wild enough to illustrate today's choices about how our authorities > handled Covid and vaccinations, and about how the ruling class imposes its > ideas of what is going on in the planet and casually ruins our lives and > our economy as they go about it. Look how the novel matches how do gooders > who think they know what is best for everyone else often forget that > others' personal freedom and happiness must not be ignored while they are > "helping" the world. > > There is also that plot about Nazis in the novel that comes from Percy's > own pivotal experience of seeing some Nazi Youth when he was a young boy > and being viscerally changed by that and never forgetting that scary > feeling. There is so much talk about Nazis these days, even that subplot is > relevant. > > A side comment: Percy hated the Nazis and used that subplot in an attempt > to give the reader the same terror he understood about tyranny and how it > can become normalcy so easily. He was balancing that against the "good > intentions" of those who were wrongheadedly giving the happy juice to > everyone to bring peace and calm into the world. Yet someone in my book > group, a very intelligent woman read that and hated the book because she > didn't like the way Percy was minimizing and mocking the Holocaust. She > missed Percy's point completely. > > Another woman there made the pithiest comment on the novel. "Just because > we are able to do something does not always mean we should do it." > > I think The Thanatos Syndrome could be a perfect novel to adapt today. > > Wouldn't it be wonderful if movie makers could at last see that these > novels were prescient and could entertain us yet give us all food for > thought. > > I wonder if any adaptation of The Second Coming could be successful. It > isa strange story, but if it could be pulled off, it could be magical. > > Janet Cantor > > On Saturday, November 5, 2022, 10:38:07 AM EDT, Henry P. Mills III < > wppdirector at gmail.com> wrote: > > > Dear Percy-L: > > Members may be interested in this news of a future Percy novel film. Is > the Second Coming more adaptive to the big screen than the Moviegoer? > > I wonder what novel members of the community think would be best suited > for a feature-length film? It?d be interesting to hear the community?s > responses. Is Second Coming the most likely one? > > Best wishes, > Henry Mills > > > ---- > Aaron Magnani Developing Film Adaptation Of Walker Percy Novel ?The Second > Coming?; Peter Arneson Set As Screenwriter > > Aaron Magnani has optioned screen rights to Walker Percy?s New York Times > bestseller The Second Coming, with plans to develop the novel for film. > He?s currently in search of a director for the adaptation and will produce > via under his Aaron Magnani Productions banner. Peter Arneson adapted the > script and will executive produce. > > The story centers on a wealthy, suicidal widower who searches for proof of > God but finds much more when he meets a young woman fugitive from a mental > hospital. Influenced by the real-life suicides of Percy?s father and > grandfather and suspected suicide of his mother, the plot combines comedy, > tragedy and romance, with themes of alienation and redemption. > > ?This story is very relatable to the world we have been living in,? said > Magnani. ?And the adaptation is as much a director?s piece as an actor?s > piece and incredible character study.? > > > Continue reading at ? > < > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__deadline.com_2022_03_aaron-2Dmagnani-2Ddeveloping-2Dwalker-2Dpercy-2Dnovel-2Dthe-2Dsecond-2Dcoming-2Dfor-2Dfilm-2D1234981570_&d=DwMFaQ&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=MPqL-JqzKEP1_tqQMCtzQEIJ8sNv19st3TM2Q1X2TCU&m=NfRmwuJFpTwU96M_kHBZIprVT28QDbtyAHvd2i3UwYM&s=1qadhJskth97vBvr70Mu1f4spzt4xLyxk7iBkXhd4cA&e= > > > https://deadline.com/2022/03/aaron-magnani-developing-walker-percy-novel-the-second-coming-for-film-1234981570/ > < > 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URL: From lesliemarsh at gmail.com Sun Nov 13 12:46:19 2022 From: lesliemarsh at gmail.com (Burma Jones) Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2022 12:46:19 -0500 Subject: [percy-l] Percy and the movies and such In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: My view is that great literature doesn't necessarily make for great cinema. Great literature, and I assume we all agree that Percy was in some sense a great, exists in its own modality. For it to be transposed into another modality, is aesthetically redundant to the original work. It is often said, however, that "second rate" literature is best suited to cinematic adaptation. There is much to be said for this view. But I have often thought that *if* there were one novel that could plausibly be adapted to the screen, it would *Thanatos*. Leaving the philosophical dimension aside, I recall it worked brilliantly as a pure thriller. I felt my heart rate increasing with the dramatic tension. But again, this would only be a superficial perspective on the novel, though in competent hands, it could jibe with the current and prevailing medicalization of the population in our time. Regards, Leslie Marsh. On Sun, Nov 6, 2022, 2:13 a.m. RHONDA MCDONNELL wrote: > Always good to see the list having some activity!! > > Regarding The Second Coming, I fear the best of it will be lost in a film > translation. I?ve always been a bit unsettled at the age gap between Will > and Allie, and I wonder if that wouldn?t be accentuated while the spiritual > element would be lost entirely? We?ll just have to wait and see I suppose. > We?ve yet to see Percy make it to screen. > > I agree with Janet that Thanatos might be an easier translation to screen, > though I suspect the child abuse would need to be downplayed. I suspect > though that the Nazi connection wouldn?t make it at all. As for any other > aspects, I see the worst of science and social machinations combined in > Van Dorn and Comeaux?none of which needs be political in my estimation. > > However, I have always held the view that literature is conversation > between reader and text. There is certainly room for varying > interpretations of any text, and the times do influence how we see a text. > Percy was pretty liberal in his day, but during the pandemic I was in a > book club that read Love in the Ruins, and the younger folks in the group > were offended at Percy?s language. They saw him as something of a racist > and couldn?t get past it. > > I guess this is all to say that whatever Percy intended, how the reader > takes his meaning is partly up to the reader. > > My best to all, > > Rhonda > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Nov 5, 2022, at 4:45 PM, Michael Larson wrote: > > ? > Karl, two questions: 1) Do you think Percy was enamored of scientism? 2) > What do you think he was after in Thanatos? > > Mike Larson > > On Sat, Nov 5, 2022 at 1:07 PM wrote: > >> Send Percy-L mailing list submissions to >> percy-l at lists.ibiblio.org >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/percy-l >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> percy-l-request at lists.ibiblio.org >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> percy-l-owner at lists.ibiblio.org >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of Percy-L digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: Adaptation of Walker Percy Novel ?The Second Coming? - >> Aaron Magnani (Producer) (Karl M. Terrell) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2022 18:00:15 +0000 >> From: "Karl M. Terrell" >> To: "janetcantor37 at yahoo.com" , "Percy-L: >> Literary, Religious, Scientific, and Philosophical Discussion" >> >> Subject: Re: [percy-l] Adaptation of Walker Percy Novel ?The Second >> Coming? - Aaron Magnani (Producer) >> Message-ID: <39157957-C2B6-4313-8605-333FF77E7A63 at stokeswagner.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> >> I would hope, though, that any moviemaker of Thanatos would not cheaply >> politicize it as a critique of liberalism (either in the broad classic >> sense or under the ?liberal? label in American politics), or as an >> endorsement of the current right-wing?s fetishistic misunderstanding of >> expertise based on real science. >> >> Percy was after something altogether different. >> >> Karl Terrell >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Nov 5, 2022, at 11:16 AM, janetcantor37--- via Percy-L < >> percy-l at lists.ibiblio.org> wrote: >> >> ? >> I would like to see any good adaptation of any Percy novel. >> >> I think the easiest for adaptation would be The Thanatos Syndrome. >> >> It is wild enough to illustrate today's choices about how our authorities >> handled Covid and vaccinations, and about how the ruling class imposes its >> ideas of what is going on in the planet and casually ruins our lives and >> our economy as they go about it. Look how the novel matches how do gooders >> who think they know what is best for everyone else often forget that >> others' personal freedom and happiness must not be ignored while they are >> "helping" the world. >> >> There is also that plot about Nazis in the novel that comes from Percy's >> own pivotal experience of seeing some Nazi Youth when he was a young boy >> and being viscerally changed by that and never forgetting that scary >> feeling. There is so much talk about Nazis these days, even that subplot is >> relevant. >> >> A side comment: Percy hated the Nazis and used that subplot in an attempt >> to give the reader the same terror he understood about tyranny and how it >> can become normalcy so easily. He was balancing that against the "good >> intentions" of those who were wrongheadedly giving the happy juice to >> everyone to bring peace and calm into the world. Yet someone in my book >> group, a very intelligent woman read that and hated the book because she >> didn't like the way Percy was minimizing and mocking the Holocaust. She >> missed Percy's point completely. >> >> Another woman there made the pithiest comment on the novel. "Just because >> we are able to do something does not always mean we should do it." >> >> I think The Thanatos Syndrome could be a perfect novel to adapt today. >> >> Wouldn't it be wonderful if movie makers could at last see that these >> novels were prescient and could entertain us yet give us all food for >> thought. >> >> I wonder if any adaptation of The Second Coming could be successful. It >> isa strange story, but if it could be pulled off, it could be magical. >> >> Janet Cantor >> >> On Saturday, November 5, 2022, 10:38:07 AM EDT, Henry P. Mills III < >> wppdirector at gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> Dear Percy-L: >> >> Members may be interested in this news of a future Percy novel film. Is >> the Second Coming more adaptive to the big screen than the Moviegoer? >> >> I wonder what novel members of the community think would be best suited >> for a feature-length film? It?d be interesting to hear the community?s >> responses. Is Second Coming the most likely one? >> >> Best wishes, >> Henry Mills >> >> >> ---- >> Aaron Magnani Developing Film Adaptation Of Walker Percy Novel ?The >> Second Coming?; Peter Arneson Set As Screenwriter >> >> Aaron Magnani has optioned screen rights to Walker Percy?s New York Times >> bestseller The Second Coming, with plans to develop the novel for film. >> He?s currently in search of a director for the adaptation and will produce >> via under his Aaron Magnani Productions banner. Peter Arneson adapted the >> script and will executive produce. >> >> The story centers on a wealthy, suicidal widower who searches for proof >> of God but finds much more when he meets a young woman fugitive from a >> mental hospital. Influenced by the real-life suicides of Percy?s father and >> grandfather and suspected suicide of his mother, the plot combines comedy, >> tragedy and romance, with themes of alienation and redemption. >> >> ?This story is very relatable to the world we have been living in,? said >> Magnani. ?And the adaptation is as much a director?s piece as an actor?s >> piece and incredible character study.? >> >> >> Continue reading at ? >> < >> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__deadline.com_2022_03_aaron-2Dmagnani-2Ddeveloping-2Dwalker-2Dpercy-2Dnovel-2Dthe-2Dsecond-2Dcoming-2Dfor-2Dfilm-2D1234981570_&d=DwMFaQ&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=MPqL-JqzKEP1_tqQMCtzQEIJ8sNv19st3TM2Q1X2TCU&m=NfRmwuJFpTwU96M_kHBZIprVT28QDbtyAHvd2i3UwYM&s=1qadhJskth97vBvr70Mu1f4spzt4xLyxk7iBkXhd4cA&e= >> > >> https://deadline.com/2022/03/aaron-magnani-developing-walker-percy-novel-the-second-coming-for-film-1234981570/ >> < >> 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URL: From bonannju at gmail.com Tue Nov 15 08:52:38 2022 From: bonannju at gmail.com (Justin Bonanno) Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2022 08:52:38 -0500 Subject: [percy-l] Percy-L Digest, Vol 176, Issue 12 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: This is cool news. I've heard Terence Malick was working on a script for Percy's *The Moviegoer *at one point. I've wanted to ask Malick what happened/why he dropped it, but I'm not famous so there's that. In my opinion, someone should make a film (or short series) based on *Lost in the Cosmos. *The film would consist of a series of vignettes and culminate in a space odyssey (or two!). -jnb On Mon, Nov 14, 2022 at 12:31 PM wrote: > Send Percy-L mailing list submissions to > percy-l at lists.ibiblio.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/percy-l > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > percy-l-request at lists.ibiblio.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > percy-l-owner at lists.ibiblio.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Percy-L digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Percy and the movies and such (Burma Jones) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2022 12:46:19 -0500 > From: Burma Jones > To: "Percy-L: Literary, Religious, Scientific, and Philosophical > Discussion" > Subject: Re: [percy-l] Percy and the movies and such > Message-ID: > u2EQcK-K_AYCMXJg at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > My view is that great literature doesn't necessarily make for great cinema. > Great literature, and I assume we all agree that Percy was in some sense a > great, exists in its own modality. > For it to be transposed into another modality, is aesthetically redundant > to the original work. > It is often said, however, that "second rate" literature is best suited to > cinematic adaptation. There is much to be said for this view. > But I have often thought that *if* there were one novel that could > plausibly be adapted to the screen, it would *Thanatos*. > Leaving the philosophical dimension aside, I recall it worked > brilliantly as a pure thriller. I felt my heart rate increasing with the > dramatic tension. > But again, this would only be a superficial perspective on the novel, > though in competent hands, it could jibe with the current and prevailing > medicalization of the population in our time. > > Regards, > > Leslie Marsh. > > On Sun, Nov 6, 2022, 2:13 a.m. RHONDA MCDONNELL > wrote: > > > Always good to see the list having some activity!! > > > > Regarding The Second Coming, I fear the best of it will be lost in a film > > translation. I?ve always been a bit unsettled at the age gap between Will > > and Allie, and I wonder if that wouldn?t be accentuated while the > spiritual > > element would be lost entirely? We?ll just have to wait and see I > suppose. > > We?ve yet to see Percy make it to screen. > > > > I agree with Janet that Thanatos might be an easier translation to > screen, > > though I suspect the child abuse would need to be downplayed. I suspect > > though that the Nazi connection wouldn?t make it at all. As for any other > > aspects, I see the worst of science and social machinations combined in > > Van Dorn and Comeaux?none of which needs be political in my estimation. > > > > However, I have always held the view that literature is conversation > > between reader and text. There is certainly room for varying > > interpretations of any text, and the times do influence how we see a > text. > > Percy was pretty liberal in his day, but during the pandemic I was in a > > book club that read Love in the Ruins, and the younger folks in the group > > were offended at Percy?s language. They saw him as something of a racist > > and couldn?t get past it. > > > > I guess this is all to say that whatever Percy intended, how the reader > > takes his meaning is partly up to the reader. > > > > My best to all, > > > > Rhonda > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On Nov 5, 2022, at 4:45 PM, Michael Larson wrote: > > > > ? > > Karl, two questions: 1) Do you think Percy was enamored of scientism? 2) > > What do you think he was after in Thanatos? > > > > Mike Larson > > > > On Sat, Nov 5, 2022 at 1:07 PM > wrote: > > > >> Send Percy-L mailing list submissions to > >> percy-l at lists.ibiblio.org > >> > >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > >> https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/percy-l > >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > >> percy-l-request at lists.ibiblio.org > >> > >> You can reach the person managing the list at > >> percy-l-owner at lists.ibiblio.org > >> > >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > >> than "Re: Contents of Percy-L digest..." > >> > >> > >> Today's Topics: > >> > >> 1. Re: Adaptation of Walker Percy Novel ?The Second Coming? - > >> Aaron Magnani (Producer) (Karl M. Terrell) > >> > >> > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > >> Message: 1 > >> Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2022 18:00:15 +0000 > >> From: "Karl M. Terrell" > >> To: "janetcantor37 at yahoo.com" , "Percy-L: > >> Literary, Religious, Scientific, and Philosophical Discussion" > >> > >> Subject: Re: [percy-l] Adaptation of Walker Percy Novel ?The Second > >> Coming? - Aaron Magnani (Producer) > >> Message-ID: <39157957-C2B6-4313-8605-333FF77E7A63 at stokeswagner.com> > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > >> > >> > >> I would hope, though, that any moviemaker of Thanatos would not cheaply > >> politicize it as a critique of liberalism (either in the broad classic > >> sense or under the ?liberal? label in American politics), or as an > >> endorsement of the current right-wing?s fetishistic misunderstanding of > >> expertise based on real science. > >> > >> Percy was after something altogether different. > >> > >> Karl Terrell > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > >> On Nov 5, 2022, at 11:16 AM, janetcantor37--- via Percy-L < > >> percy-l at lists.ibiblio.org> wrote: > >> > >> ? > >> I would like to see any good adaptation of any Percy novel. > >> > >> I think the easiest for adaptation would be The Thanatos Syndrome. > >> > >> It is wild enough to illustrate today's choices about how our > authorities > >> handled Covid and vaccinations, and about how the ruling class imposes > its > >> ideas of what is going on in the planet and casually ruins our lives and > >> our economy as they go about it. Look how the novel matches how do > gooders > >> who think they know what is best for everyone else often forget that > >> others' personal freedom and happiness must not be ignored while they > are > >> "helping" the world. > >> > >> There is also that plot about Nazis in the novel that comes from Percy's > >> own pivotal experience of seeing some Nazi Youth when he was a young boy > >> and being viscerally changed by that and never forgetting that scary > >> feeling. There is so much talk about Nazis these days, even that > subplot is > >> relevant. > >> > >> A side comment: Percy hated the Nazis and used that subplot in an > attempt > >> to give the reader the same terror he understood about tyranny and how > it > >> can become normalcy so easily. He was balancing that against the "good > >> intentions" of those who were wrongheadedly giving the happy juice to > >> everyone to bring peace and calm into the world. Yet someone in my book > >> group, a very intelligent woman read that and hated the book because she > >> didn't like the way Percy was minimizing and mocking the Holocaust. She > >> missed Percy's point completely. > >> > >> Another woman there made the pithiest comment on the novel. "Just > because > >> we are able to do something does not always mean we should do it." > >> > >> I think The Thanatos Syndrome could be a perfect novel to adapt today. > >> > >> Wouldn't it be wonderful if movie makers could at last see that these > >> novels were prescient and could entertain us yet give us all food for > >> thought. > >> > >> I wonder if any adaptation of The Second Coming could be successful. It > >> isa strange story, but if it could be pulled off, it could be magical. > >> > >> Janet Cantor > >> > >> On Saturday, November 5, 2022, 10:38:07 AM EDT, Henry P. Mills III < > >> wppdirector at gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >> > >> Dear Percy-L: > >> > >> Members may be interested in this news of a future Percy novel film. Is > >> the Second Coming more adaptive to the big screen than the Moviegoer? > >> > >> I wonder what novel members of the community think would be best suited > >> for a feature-length film? It?d be interesting to hear the community?s > >> responses. Is Second Coming the most likely one? > >> > >> Best wishes, > >> Henry Mills > >> > >> > >> ---- > >> Aaron Magnani Developing Film Adaptation Of Walker Percy Novel ?The > >> Second Coming?; Peter Arneson Set As Screenwriter > >> > >> Aaron Magnani has optioned screen rights to Walker Percy?s New York > Times > >> bestseller The Second Coming, with plans to develop the novel for film. > >> He?s currently in search of a director for the adaptation and will > produce > >> via under his Aaron Magnani Productions banner. Peter Arneson adapted > the > >> script and will executive produce. > >> > >> The story centers on a wealthy, suicidal widower who searches for proof > >> of God but finds much more when he meets a young woman fugitive from a > >> mental hospital. Influenced by the real-life suicides of Percy?s father > and > >> grandfather and suspected suicide of his mother, the plot combines > comedy, > >> tragedy and romance, with themes of alienation and redemption. > >> > >> ?This story is very relatable to the world we have been living in,? said > >> Magnani. ?And the adaptation is as much a director?s piece as an actor?s > >> piece and incredible character study.? > >> > >> > >> Continue reading at ? > >> < > >> > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__deadline.com_2022_03_aaron-2Dmagnani-2Ddeveloping-2Dwalker-2Dpercy-2Dnovel-2Dthe-2Dsecond-2Dcoming-2Dfor-2Dfilm-2D1234981570_&d=DwMFaQ&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=MPqL-JqzKEP1_tqQMCtzQEIJ8sNv19st3TM2Q1X2TCU&m=NfRmwuJFpTwU96M_kHBZIprVT28QDbtyAHvd2i3UwYM&s=1qadhJskth97vBvr70Mu1f4spzt4xLyxk7iBkXhd4cA&e= > >> > > >> > https://deadline.com/2022/03/aaron-magnani-developing-walker-percy-novel-the-second-coming-for-film-1234981570/ > >> < > >> > 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