I agree that Jerome's English was terrible...

I am valiantly resisting the temptation to argue translation theory here. Stick to the Greek (hortatory encouragement including myself).I see this problem everywhere in the NT.
Maybe it's just me.
I agree that Jerome's English was terrible...
I am valiantly resisting the temptation to argue translation theory here. Stick to the Greek (hortatory encouragement including myself).I see this problem everywhere in the NT.
Maybe it's just me.
Bill, you've got to be kidding. Riplinger is a KJV onlyist who believes that all other translations are Satanically inspired. She's a total flake and is about as trustworthy a source as quicksand is support. Please try seriously to engage the topic.Bill Ross wrote: ↑December 5th, 2018, 1:49 pm Following your suggestion I just did a search and lo and behold it appears that Jerome was copying a Pope:
http://valera1602.org/wp-content/upload ... s-Name.pdf
In my view the noun form would reflect the same kind of features as this verbal form.① to express oneself orally or in written form, utter in words, say, tell, give expression to, the gener. sense (not in Hom., for this εἶπον, ἐν[ν]έπω, et al.)...
Arndt, W., Danker, F. W., Bauer, W., & Gingrich, F. W. (2000). A Greek-English lexicon of the New Testament and other early Christian literature (3rd ed., p. 588). Chicago: University of Chicago Press.
Here's one possible guess: in an oral culture, if you say "word", people generally think of an oral word. In a culture where we grow up thinking so much about written texts, if you say "word", people generally think of a written word.
These are the most significant points of view Trail found in the commentaries he surveyed for this verse. I really don't see how translating "utterance" helps make any of these meanings clearer, though. It's a rarely used, academic word in English, and it doesn't feel like that very everyday Greek word, it turns the strikingly simple language of John into something else.QUESTION—What does the phrase ὁ λόγος ‘the Word’ mean?
Λόγος means ‘word, thought, mind’ [TRT]. It tells us that Jesus is the self-disclosure of God [BECNT, Car, CH]. It is a title for Jesus in the Gospel of John [BAGD, LN] that refers to the content of God’s revelation and is a verbal echo of the use of the verbs meaning ‘to speak’ in Genesis 1 and in many utterances of the prophets [LN]. It reveals the meaning of the phrase ‘and God said’ in Genesis 1 [Rd, NICNT1], and thereby created [NICNT1]. It refers to divine Wisdom [Kn, IVP] and the Torah [Kn].
You haven't convinced me that you have a better grasp of this than Danker (of BDAG). I don't really understand the methodology you use for lexicography here. How are you testing your assertions?