ELHLUQUIAN in Mark 9.1
Carl W. Conrad
cwconrad at artsci.wustl.edu
Tue Aug 27 21:27:56 EDT 2002
At 10:00 PM +0100 8/27/02, Patrick James wrote:
>As far as I can tell, this question has not been discussed before, but if I
>am mistaken please
>direct me to the relevant place in the mailing-list's archive.
>
>Anyway, the text of Jesus' words, as in NA 27, at Mark 9.1:
>
>AMHN LEGW hUMIN hOTI EISIN TINES hWDE TWN hESTHKOTWN
>hOITINES OU MH GEUSWTAI QANATOU hEWS AN IDWSIN
>THN BASILEIAN TOU QEOU ELHLUQUIAN EN DUNAMEI
>
>The NIV translates this as:
>"I tell you the truth, some who are standing here will not taste death
>before they see the
>kingdom of God _come_ with power."
>
>But the KJV as:
>"Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which
>shall not taste
>of death, till they _have_ seen the kingdom of God _come_ with power."
>
>And the NASB has:
>"Truly I say to you, there are some of those who are standing here who will
>not taste death
>until they see the kingdom of God _after it has come_ with power."
>
>The RSV:
>"Truly, I say to you, there are some standing here who will not taste death
>before they see
>that the kingdom of God _has come_ with power."
>
>Should ELHLUQUIAN be translated as historic (even perfect/stative), ie "see
>that the kingdom of God has come (is here) [like the NASB and RSV]"? Does
>this explain the KJV's "have seen" over NIV's "see" for the "tenseless"
>aorist subjunctive IDWSIN? Or was ELHLUQUIAN used for any reason other than
>the sequence of tenses?
>
>I appreciate that this may seem to be a question principally about
>translation, and so not relevant to this list, but I am more interested in
>any grammatical reasons for use of the Perfect participle, ELHLUQUIAN, over
>the present/imperfective, EPXOMENHN, or aorist/perfective, ELQOUSAN,
>participle.
You will find considerable discussion of Mk 9:1 and the Synoptic parallel
passages in the BG archives for September 1995. I discussed these texts at
length in a message dated Sat, 2 Sep 1995 10:02:27 -0500 with subject
header, "Re: BG: Synoptic Apocalypse (LONG!)." I shall not repeat the
substance of what I set forth there, but I will say that for my part I can
see no other sense to the use of the perfect participle ELHLUQUIAN here
than that those of whom it is said that they will see the Kingdom of God
will see it ELHLUQUIAN EN DUNAMEI: will see it as a _fait accompli_.
--
Carl W. Conrad
Department of Classics, Washington University (Emeritus)
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