Matth.24:7&11
Paul S Dixon
dixonps at juno.com
Sat Dec 7 13:51:42 EST 2002
On Sat, 7 Dec 2002 20:58:33 +0300 "Iver Larsen" <iver_larsen at sil.org>
writes:
> > Matth.24:7 EGERQHSETAI GAR EQNOS EPI EQNOS KAI BASILEIA
> EPIBASILEIAN...
> > Matth.24:11 KAI POLLOI YEUDOPROFHTAI EGERQHSONTAI...
> > The verbs in these passages are both in the future passive tense.
> > The transtations I checked transtate these something like "will
> > rise" or "will arise" instead of "will be raised.
> > What would be the reason for this.
> > If it were translated in the passive tense, it could indicate
> > that God's hand causes nation to rise against nation and false
> > prophets to arise.
> >
> > Bert de Haan
>
> And then in 24:24 God will also be raising up false Christs to
> deceive, if
> possible, even the chosen ones????? Luckily, most Bible translators
> are
> guided by context more than what they may or may not have learned in
> a Greek
> grammar class. Although these verbs have traditionally been termed
> passive,
> they are better understood as MP forms where it is a contextual
> interpretation whether the sense is middle or passive.
>
> Have you read Carl's paper? You could also check the archives from
> October
> and November last year. A search for "Middle" will give you a lot
> of
> postings to chew on. This included discussion of ANISTHMI and
> EGEIRW.
Hi Iver:
There is contextual, albeit a wider context, support for the idea that
these supposedly MP forms should be taken passively. 2 Thess 2:11
indicates that it is God who causes a strong delusion to come upon them
so that they would believe a lie.
If EGERQHSONTAI of Mt 24:24 is taken passively, it does not follow that
God is intending to deceive the elect, but that it may not be possible.
Rather, the intent to deceive comes from the near YEUDOCRISTOI KAI
YEUDOPROFHTAI.
Our theological presuppostions do affect our interpretations. It is
probably this, rather than luck, that is the immediate cause for some
interpreters leaving the traditional understanding of the future passive
to opt for a middle understanding.
Paul Dixon
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