Middle and Passive Aorist and Future forms
Peter Kirk
prkirk at pmbx.net
Fri Dec 13 06:36:19 EST 2002
Paul, did you see my evidence (or did it not get posted to everyone for
some reason?) that about 32, possibly a few more, of your 296 words are
not in fact future passives? That implies something like 264 future
passives in the NT including the string -QHS-. The remaining 22 or so of
Iver's 286 future passives tagged by Friberg (or more from the larger
number reported by Logos, perhaps because it includes forms of DUNAMAI?
- Carl's 287 from Accordance may include the one participle) do not
include -QHS-, in at least some cases because the theta has been elided
according to regular morphophonemic rules - I'm not sure how that ties
up with the 1st/2nd distinction.
Peter Kirk
peter.r.kirk at ntlworld.com
http://web.onetel.net.uk/~peterkirk/
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul S Dixon [mailto:dixonps at juno.com]
> Sent: 13 December 2002 02:40
> To: Biblical Greek
> Cc: b-greek at franklin.metalab.unc.edu
> Subject: [b-greek] Re: Middle and Passive Aorist and Future forms
>
>
> On Thu, 12 Dec 2002 08:16:10 -0600 "Carl W. Conrad"
> <cwconrad at artsci.wustl.edu> writes:
>
> > Accordance works with morphologically-tagged texts, for which Dale
> > Wheeler
> > is largely responsible. A few years ago he shared several toss-up
> > forms for
> > opinions regarding proper voice-categorization. I have found
> > occasional
> > questionable tags in Accordance, but on the whole, I think it is
> > quite
> > accurate. It looks like you're searching from scratch on the basis
> > of -QH-
> > within a Greek word; that procedure will of course hit on forms of
> > AKOLOUQEIN and TIQENAI.
>
> Carl:
>
> I did my initial search as previously specified below:
>
> > >I did a count of the future passive indicatives in the NT (Logos
> > >software) and came up with 296 hits (*QHSO* or *QHSE* or *QHSH* and
> > not
> > >*QHSIO*).
> > >
>
> You came up with 297. After Iver's post I decided to do a search on
> Peter, James and John with the same criteria and got 31 hits. Of
those
> there were 7 occurrences of AKOLOUQEIN, one occurrence of TIQHMI, one
> aorist passive. Hence 9 out of 31 hits had to be discarded as not
being
> future passive forms, leaving 22 future passives.
>
> I'd be curious to see what you get doing an Accordance search using
your
> same criteria on Peter, James, and John and manually check the
results.
> I can't imagine you'd get different results. If you get the same as
I,
> then surely the total NT count must be significantly less than our 296
or
> 297, something closer to 200.
>
> Am just trying to get to the bottom of this and not desiring to prove
> anybody right or wrong. Please continue your patience. Thanks.
>
> Paul Dixon
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