Middle and Passive Aorist and Future forms

Harry W. Jones hwjones2 at earthlink.net
Mon Dec 16 20:53:32 EST 2002



I'm thinking that I could be wrong about the distinction between the middle
and passive forms. I does seem to me  that things may be more complicated
than I first thought. Especially after I read Carl's on line article about
verbs.

 I would like to see what Steven has to say about the subject though.

Harry Jones




> [Original Message]
> From: Carl W. Conrad <cwconrad at artsci.wustl.edu>
> To: Biblical Greek <b-greek at franklin.oit.unc.edu>
> Cc: Biblical Greek <b-greek at franklin.oit.unc.edu>
> Date: 12/16/02 5:49:48 AM
> Subject: [b-greek] Re: Middle and Passive Aorist and Future forms
>
> At 10:16 PM +1100 12/16/02, Peter Kirk wrote:
> >Well, first I would suggest that extant forms like EGRAFQH and
> >ANAPAUQHSONTAI result from secondary regularisation of the paradigms,
> >analogous to the similar phenomenon in English in which irregular verbs
> >often become regularised.
> >
> >But in view of what I just wrote in another posting about -QH- forms
> >being derived from Greek adjectives in -TOS and forms of EIMI, I wonder
> >if we are seeing a reflection of other aspects of verb irregularity in
> >Indo-European. For example, the English "engrave" is now a weak verb
> >with past participle "engraved", but the archaic form "graven" (and the
> >cognate German "gegraben") bears witness to a strong verb "grave".
> >Perhaps much the same has happened to the Greek cognate GRAFW: it had
> >regular or weak (and very likely secondary) forms like GRAPTOS and hence
> >EGRAFQH, and irregular or strong forms like (CEIRO-)GRAFON and EGRAFH.
> >So this would mean that there was no lost theta, it was never actually
> >present in these verbs.
>
> That, I think, makes much more sense.
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