[B-Greek] Follow up to Mitch's AGAPAW and FILEW

Brent Hudson brent at riveroflifembchurch.com
Sun Aug 17 13:58:12 EDT 2003


I would think that TO TRITON refers to the three questions Jesus asked in a general way not to the specific wording.  TO TRITON is translated "the third time" not "three times".  The question then is whether the grief was caused by Jesus asking Peter the same thing three times or because the changed wording (FILEIS ME) represents something significantly more painful to Peter than the previous AGAPAiS ME.  While I tend toward the former, I don't think that TO TRITON helps decide the issue one way or the other.  

Has anyone ever come across TRITOS with the sense "three times"?  

Brent Hudson




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On 8/17/2003 at 12:37 PM bertdehaan at gosympatico.ca wrote:

>> 
>>   "Carl W. Conrad" <cwconrad at artsci.wustl.edu> wrote on> Date: Sun, 17
>Aug 2003 06:26:15 -0400
>...... 
>> Furthermore, when I spoke of a "growing consensus" regarding synonymous
>> usage of AGAPAW and FILEW, I pointedly referred to John 21, where there
>was
>> once a widespread view that the exchange between Peter and Jesus had
>> particularly profound dimensions determined by the alternation of these
>two
>> verbs there; the "growing consensus" to which I referred is that the
>> alternation in that passage does not have the profound dimensions that
>were
>> assumed and much sermonized about in the last century.
> 
>
>I was among those that felt there was a profound dimension to the
>alternating of the 2 verbs in John 21.
>Not because of the alternating as such but because of the pattern in the
>alternating.
>However, reading this passage again, it struck me for the first time that
>it says in vers 17 LEGEI AUTWi TO TRITON; SIMWN IWANNOU, FILEIS ME? If
>this "profound dimension" that I had assumed was there, was intended, it
>would not have said TO TRITON. For what Jesus was about to say was the
>first time using the verb FILEW. Likewise, Peter was grieved hOTI EIPEN
>AUTWi TO TRITON; FILEIS ME? Not as I had assumed (due to inaccurate
>reading) because Jesus had asked him twice AGAPAiS ME? and then finally
>FILEIS ME? I realize this may not be very profound but it is worth
>mentioning.
>I can't defend my previous position anymore.
>
>
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