[B-Greek] Greek Syntax from Papias

Doug Hoxworth dhoxworth at charter.net
Tue Dec 2 15:15:11 EST 2003


τους των 
πρεσβυτερων 
ανεκρινον 
λογους, τι 
Aνδρεας η τι 
Πετρος 
ειπεν η τι 
Φιλιππος η 
τι Θωμας η 
Iακωβος η τι 
Iωαννης η 
Ματθαιος η 
τις ετερος 
των του 
κυριου 
μαθητων α 
τε Aριστιων 
και ο 
πρεσβυτερος 
Iωαννης, του 
κυριου 
μαθηται, 
λεγουσιν

TOUS TWN PRESBUTERWN ANERINON LOGOUS, TI ANDREAS H TI 
PETROS EIPEN H TI FILIPPOS H TI QWMAS H IAKWBOS H TI 
IWANNHS H MATQAIOS H TIS hETEROS TWN TOU KURIOU MAQHTWN A 
TE ARISTIWN KAI hO PRESBUTEROS IWANNHS, TOU KURIOU 
MAQHTAI, LEGOUSIN

...I would carefully ask about the words of the 
presbyters, what Andrew or what Peter had said or what 
Philip or what Thomas or James or what John or Matthew or 
any other of the disciples of the Lord, and which Aristion 
and the presbyter John, disciples of the Lord say too.

A couple of questions:

1. Could hO PRESBUTEROS IWANNHS be rendered or understood 
as "the aforementioned John"?
2. How is hO PRESBUTEROS IWANNHS to be best understood? Is 
it "John the Elder" or "Elder John" (a sort of title) or 
"the Elder--that is John" or "The elder who I just 
metioned above--John", etc.? 



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