[B-Greek] RE: Attributive genitives

Harry W. Jones hwjones2 at earthlink.net
Mon Feb 10 21:29:42 EST 2003


Hello Ross,

Your answers are in GGBB by Dr. Wallace starting on page 86.

Best Regards,
Harry Jones



> [Original Message]
> From: Dr Dale M Wheeler <dalemw at multnomah.edu>
> To: <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
> Date: 2/10/03 10:14:13 AM
> Subject: [B-Greek] RE: Attributive genitives
>
> Malcolm Ross wrote:
>
>
> >I am curious about the genitives in the following phrases from the
> >verses quoted below: (1) KATA PNEUMA AGIWSUNHS in Romans 1:4 and (2)
> >EIS UPAKOHN PISTEWS in Romans 1:5. They appear to be attributive
> >genitives, i.e. genitives which describe the noun upon which they are
> >dependent. This means essentially that the reader is left to figure
> >out/infer the relationship between this noun and its dependent
> >genitive, and this is reflected in variation among English
> >translations. In the case of (2):
> >
> >obedience that comes from faith (NIV)
> >trust-grounded obedience (CJV)
> >obedience to the faith (NKJV, Cassirer)
> >obedience of faith (NRSV)
> >that they will believe and obey him (NLT)
> >
> >Romans 1:4
> >TOU ORISQENTOS UIOU EN DUNAMEI KATA PNEUMA AGIWSUNHS EX ANASTASEWS NEKRWN
> >'and who through the Spirit of holiness was declared with power to be
> >the Son of God , by his resurrection from the dead' (NIV)
> >
> >Romans 1:5
> >ELABOMEN CARIN KAI APOSTOLHN EIS UPAKOHN PISTEWS EN PASIN TOIS EQNESIN
> >'we received grace and apostleship to call people from among all the
> >Gentiles to the obedience that comes from faith.'
> >
> >My questions are:
> >
> >a) is my interpretation of the grammar correct, i.e. these are
> >attributive genitives?
> >
> >b) is there any work which provides guidance on the interpretation of
> >such genitives?
> >
> >Malcolm Ross
>
>
> The NKJV is not taking the phrase as attributive, but rather as an 
> objective genitive, ie., "so that the Gentiles might obey/accept the body 
> of doctrine Christians believe".  Since APEIQW (1Pet) and apparently 
> UPAKOUW (Rom 10:16; 2Thes 1:8; Heb 5:9--I know, I know, there are some
out 
> there who are going to have a fit...please don't, its just one possible
way 
> to read the text here) are both used in the NT as basic synonyms at times 
> for PISTEUW, and since PISTIS is used in the phrase, apparently the NKJV 
> translators felt that it wouldn't make sense for Paul to write EIS PISTIN 
> PISTEWS (its sound superlative if you do that), so a synonym was used 
> instead of PISTIN.
>
> The rest are not attributive either, which would mean "faithful 
> obedience".  The are understanding the genitive as source, ie., NIV 
> "obedience that comes from faith".
>
> Check Wallace, Beyond the Basics, for a good discussion of the
differences 
> in the genitives...
>
> Blessings...
>
>
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