[B-Greek] Rom 8:14

Daniel and Rachel King dan_rach at ntlworld.com
Mon May 5 06:29:42 EDT 2003


thanks. Yes, I think I was a little unsure of the question. I think what I
was looking for was whether the Majority reading DOES imply a fronting of
EISIN, hence the KJV's emphasis on 'they are', whereas the NA27 reading is
the expected word order and hence unmarked. The NA25 reading, however, put
EISIN in the middle. Does that alternative make a difference to emphasis?

thanks

Dan King


----- Original Message -----
From: "Carl W. Conrad" <cwconrad at artsci.wustl.edu>
To: "Daniel and Rachel King" <dan_rach at ntlworld.com>
Cc: "Biblical Greek" <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 11:13 AM
Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Rom 8:14


> At 10:52 AM +0100 5/5/03, Daniel and Rachel King wrote:
> >hOSOI GAR PNEUMATI QEOU AGONTAI hOUTOI hUIOI QEOU EISIN.
> >
> >A question about the significance of word order. Do you think the hUIOI
is
> >being fronted for emphasis here? The two halves of the sentence seem to
> >balance nicely and hence PNEUMATI and hUIOI might be taken as a balancing
> >pair, closely linked as the key words in the sentence.
> >
> >There are textual alternatives here: B, followed by Tischendorf and NA25
> >have hUIOI EISIN QEOU, and Maj. has EISIN hUIOI QEOU. This makes the
> >question interesting, because one could ask whether these alternatives
have
> >a different nuance given he different word order. For instance, is the
KJV
> >translation : "for as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the
> >sons of God" influenced by the Maj word order in using the words 'they
are'
> >at the beginning of the second part?
> >
> >Would you ascribe any significance to fronting here at all?
>
> Perhaps I'm not really understanding the question; the text as given above
> at the outset is, of course, what appears in NA27/UBS4; the word-order
here
> strikes me as unexceptional of the type that has a relative clause
> preceding the main clause and describing a subject indicated by a
> demonstrative in the main clause. hUIOI QEOU here is really a unitary
> conception and as the predicative word normally does, it precedes the
> copula EISIN. I don't see any "fronting" here at all. And although the KJV
> version you've cited does indeed reflect the word-order of the TR (and MT)
> standard ENGLISH would have converted either hUIOI QEOU EISIN or EISIN
> hUIOI QEOU the same way, precisely as did KJV.
>
> On the other hand, I suspect that hOSOI in the first clause here is not
> much more than a relative pronoun, as it is in later Greek (i.e. that the
> quantitative force of the -OS- infix is no longer present), so that the
> sense of the whole construction is rather, "it is those who are led by the
> spirit that are sons of God."
> --
>
> Carl W. Conrad
> Department of Classics, Washington University (Emeritus)
> 1989 Grindstaff Road/Burnsville, NC 28714/(828) 675-4243
> cwconrad at artsci.wustl.edu
> WWW: http://www.ioa.com/~cwconrad/




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