[B-Greek] Rom 8:14
Carl W. Conrad
cwconrad at artsci.wustl.edu
Mon May 5 06:37:05 EDT 2003
No, I don't think the KJV translation is doing that at all; I think it's
simply putting the content of the Greek into a literal 17th-century English
word-order. I don't think you ought to be looking to KJV (or, for that
matter, to any reasonably good translation into English) to convey in the
structure the Greek word-order. The translator is under constraint not only
to convey the content but to convey it in normal intelligible phraseology
in the target language.
At 11:29 AM +0100 5/5/03, Daniel and Rachel King wrote:
>thanks. Yes, I think I was a little unsure of the question. I think what I
>was looking for was whether the Majority reading DOES imply a fronting of
>EISIN, hence the KJV's emphasis on 'they are', whereas the NA27 reading is
>the expected word order and hence unmarked. The NA25 reading, however, put
>EISIN in the middle. Does that alternative make a difference to emphasis?
>
>thanks
>
>Dan King
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Carl W. Conrad" <cwconrad at artsci.wustl.edu>
>To: "Daniel and Rachel King" <dan_rach at ntlworld.com>
>Cc: "Biblical Greek" <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
>Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 11:13 AM
>Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Rom 8:14
>
>
>> At 10:52 AM +0100 5/5/03, Daniel and Rachel King wrote:
>> >hOSOI GAR PNEUMATI QEOU AGONTAI hOUTOI hUIOI QEOU EISIN.
>> >
>> >A question about the significance of word order. Do you think the hUIOI
>is
>> >being fronted for emphasis here? The two halves of the sentence seem to
>> >balance nicely and hence PNEUMATI and hUIOI might be taken as a balancing
>> >pair, closely linked as the key words in the sentence.
>> >
>> >There are textual alternatives here: B, followed by Tischendorf and NA25
>> >have hUIOI EISIN QEOU, and Maj. has EISIN hUIOI QEOU. This makes the
>> >question interesting, because one could ask whether these alternatives
>have
>> >a different nuance given he different word order. For instance, is the
>KJV
>> >translation : "for as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the
>> >sons of God" influenced by the Maj word order in using the words 'they
>are'
>> >at the beginning of the second part?
>> >
>> >Would you ascribe any significance to fronting here at all?
>>
>> Perhaps I'm not really understanding the question; the text as given above
>> at the outset is, of course, what appears in NA27/UBS4; the word-order
>here
>> strikes me as unexceptional of the type that has a relative clause
>> preceding the main clause and describing a subject indicated by a
>> demonstrative in the main clause. hUIOI QEOU here is really a unitary
>> conception and as the predicative word normally does, it precedes the
>> copula EISIN. I don't see any "fronting" here at all. And although the KJV
>> version you've cited does indeed reflect the word-order of the TR (and MT)
>> standard ENGLISH would have converted either hUIOI QEOU EISIN or EISIN
>> hUIOI QEOU the same way, precisely as did KJV.
>>
>> On the other hand, I suspect that hOSOI in the first clause here is not
>> much more than a relative pronoun, as it is in later Greek (i.e. that the
>> quantitative force of the -OS- infix is no longer present), so that the
>> sense of the whole construction is rather, "it is those who are led by the
>> spirit that are sons of God."
>> --
>>
>> Carl W. Conrad
>> Department of Classics, Washington University (Emeritus)
>> 1989 Grindstaff Road/Burnsville, NC 28714/(828) 675-4243
>> cwconrad at artsci.wustl.edu
>> WWW: http://www.ioa.com/~cwconrad/
>
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Carl W. Conrad
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cwconrad at artsci.wustl.edu
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