[B-Greek] Col. 1:13a causal pronoun FOLLOW Up2

waldo slusher waldoslusher at yahoo.com
Thu Apr 15 13:12:01 EDT 2004


Carl:

Thank you for that correction. My general tendency is
to see hOPOU (as in your examples) as modifying more
than just the nominal element itself (and therefore
not functioning adjectivally). I would assume it goes
with IDETE TON TOPON, so as to encompass the verbal
element as well.

Same with the next citation. I would have hOPOU modify
EPESEN EPI TO PETRWDES. Would you see any problems
with taking them in this broader sense? 

Waldo

--- "Carl W. Conrad" <cwconrad at artsci.wustl.edu>
wrote:
> At 6:19 AM -0700 4/15/04, waldo slusher wrote:
> >Mitch:
> >
> >I think some confusion has been introduced by the
> dual
> >use of "relative clause." A relative clause can
> begin
> >with a relative PRONOUN, in which case it will be
> >adjectival. A relative clause can also begin with a
> >relative ADVERB, in which case it will be
> adverbial.
> >But your question initially was about a relative
> >PRONOUN. And in those instances, the clauses will
> be
> >adjectival.
> 
> Waldo, what you say is not wrong, but it's not
> altogether right either.
> 
> In Mt 28:6 DEUTE IDETE TON TOPON hOPOU EKEITO, the
> relative clause hOPOU
> EKEITO is adjectival and has TON TOPON as its
> antecedent. Similarly in Mk
> 4:5 KAI ALLO EPESEN EPI TO PETRWDES hOPOU OUK EICEN
> GHN POLLHN, hOPOU OUK
> EICEN GHN POLLHN is adjectival and has TO PETRWDES
> as its antecedent. With
> hOPOU this is really fairly commonly the case,
> although in Mt 24:28 hOPOU
> EAN TO PTWMA, EKEI SUNACQHSONTAI hOI AETOI, hOPOU
> EAN TO PTWMA is indeed
> adverbial with EKEI as its antecedent and moreover
> is a relative clause in
> a generalizing condition. Relative clauses
> introduced by a relative adverb
> are not that common, and they really need to be
> analyzed on a case-by-case
> basis.
> -- 
> 
> Carl W. Conrad
> Department of Classics, Washington University
> (Emeritus)
> 1989 Grindstaff Road/Burnsville, NC 28714/(828)
> 675-4243
> cwconrad at artsci.wustl.edu
> WWW: http://www.ioa.com/~cwconrad/



	
		
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