[B-Greek] Col. 1:13a causal pronoun FOLLOW Up2

Carl W. Conrad cwconrad at artsci.wustl.edu
Thu Apr 15 15:36:15 EDT 2004


At 10:12 AM -0700 4/15/04, waldo slusher wrote:
>Carl:
>
>Thank you for that correction. My general tendency is
>to see hOPOU (as in your examples) as modifying more
>than just the nominal element itself (and therefore
>not functioning adjectivally). I would assume it goes
>with IDETE TON TOPON, so as to encompass the verbal
>element as well.
>
>Same with the next citation. I would have hOPOU modify
>EPESEN EPI TO PETRWDES. Would you see any problems
>with taking them in this broader sense?

Well, yes; it seems to me that TON TOPON/hO TOPOS hOPOU EKEITO makes
perfectly good sense, as does TO PETRWDES hOPOU OUK EICEN GHN POLLHN; I can
see a temporal adverbial clause referring to a whole clause or a
prepositional phrase, but these certainly seems adjectival and to refer to
the substantives as antecedents.


>--- "Carl W. Conrad" <cwconrad at artsci.wustl.edu>
>wrote:
>> At 6:19 AM -0700 4/15/04, waldo slusher wrote:
>> >Mitch:
>> >
>> >I think some confusion has been introduced by the
>> dual
>> >use of "relative clause." A relative clause can
>> begin
>> >with a relative PRONOUN, in which case it will be
>> >adjectival. A relative clause can also begin with a
>> >relative ADVERB, in which case it will be
>> adverbial.
>> >But your question initially was about a relative
>> >PRONOUN. And in those instances, the clauses will
>> be
>> >adjectival.
>>
>> Waldo, what you say is not wrong, but it's not
>> altogether right either.
>>
>> In Mt 28:6 DEUTE IDETE TON TOPON hOPOU EKEITO, the
>> relative clause hOPOU
>> EKEITO is adjectival and has TON TOPON as its
>> antecedent. Similarly in Mk
>> 4:5 KAI ALLO EPESEN EPI TO PETRWDES hOPOU OUK EICEN
>> GHN POLLHN, hOPOU OUK
>> EICEN GHN POLLHN is adjectival and has TO PETRWDES
>> as its antecedent. With
>> hOPOU this is really fairly commonly the case,
>> although in Mt 24:28 hOPOU
>> EAN TO PTWMA, EKEI SUNACQHSONTAI hOI AETOI, hOPOU
>> EAN TO PTWMA is indeed
>> adverbial with EKEI as its antecedent and moreover
>> is a relative clause in
>> a generalizing condition. Relative clauses
>> introduced by a relative adverb
>> are not that common, and they really need to be
>> analyzed on a case-by-case
>> basis.
>> --
>>
>> Carl W. Conrad
>> Department of Classics, Washington University
>> (Emeritus)
>> 1989 Grindstaff Road/Burnsville, NC 28714/(828)
>> 675-4243
>> cwconrad at artsci.wustl.edu
>> WWW: http://www.ioa.com/~cwconrad/
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Carl W. Conrad
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