[B-Greek] SOI in Mark 2:18
bertdehaan at gosympatico.ca
bertdehaan at gosympatico.ca
Mon Feb 9 20:04:44 EST 2004
>
"Carl W. Conrad" <cwconrad at artsci.wustl.edu> wrote
<bertdehaan at gosympatico.ca> wrote:
> >In the 1st book of the Iliad line 104 the dative of the 3rd person
> >personal pronoun is used in this way (I think).
> >OSSE DE hOI PURI LAMPETOWNTI EIKTHN.
> >"and his eyes were blazing like fire"
>
> George S. noted that the dual (OSSE) is obsolete in Koine Greek, but Bert's
> question is rather, I think, about hOI: this is a 3d singular dative
> pronoun (the forms of which-- gen. hOU, dat hOI, acc. hE--are common enough
> in Homer but rare in later Greek and found most commonly in poetry. In the
> sentence above hOI is that dative pronoun in sense "to him/for him."
> Literally the sentence reads "and eyes to/for him to blazing fire were
> like." OSSE is nominative dual, EIKTHN is 3d dual pluperfect indicative of
> EOIKA ('be like'), PURI LAMPETOWNTI is participial phrase with datives of
> PUR and the present ptc. of LAMPETAW. Some might call that dative hOI a
> sentence modifier, others a modifier of the verb EIKTHN "were like for him"
> or "were like with respect to him."
>
> So yes, the dual noun and verb and that dative 3d sg. pronoun are obsolete
> in NT Koine Greek
>
> >Did this come into disuse in Koine?
>
> Answered above.
Actually I was not asking if this pronoun came into disuse but my question was if this particular use of the pronoun came into disuse.
Clyde Pharr says about hOI in Iliad 1:104; "dat. of interest or reference (or possibly of possession)."
I compared this use of the dative pronoun to SOI in Mark 2:18. Maybe this is not a valid comparison.
So my question in different words would be; Did the dative of possession come into disuse in Koine?
Bert de Haan.
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