[B-Greek] SOI in Mark 2:18
Carl W. Conrad
cwconrad at artsci.wustl.edu
Mon Feb 9 20:10:43 EST 2004
At 8:04 PM -0500 2/9/04, <bertdehaan at gosympatico.ca> wrote:
>>
> "Carl W. Conrad" <cwconrad at artsci.wustl.edu> wrote
> <bertdehaan at gosympatico.ca> wrote:
>
>> >In the 1st book of the Iliad line 104 the dative of the 3rd person
>> >personal pronoun is used in this way (I think).
>> >OSSE DE hOI PURI LAMPETOWNTI EIKTHN.
>> >"and his eyes were blazing like fire"
>>
>> George S. noted that the dual (OSSE) is obsolete in Koine Greek, but Bert's
>> question is rather, I think, about hOI: this is a 3d singular dative
>> pronoun (the forms of which-- gen. hOU, dat hOI, acc. hE--are common enough
>> in Homer but rare in later Greek and found most commonly in poetry. In the
>> sentence above hOI is that dative pronoun in sense "to him/for him."
>> Literally the sentence reads "and eyes to/for him to blazing fire were
>> like." OSSE is nominative dual, EIKTHN is 3d dual pluperfect indicative of
>> EOIKA ('be like'), PURI LAMPETOWNTI is participial phrase with datives of
>> PUR and the present ptc. of LAMPETAW. Some might call that dative hOI a
>> sentence modifier, others a modifier of the verb EIKTHN "were like for him"
>> or "were like with respect to him."
>>
>> So yes, the dual noun and verb and that dative 3d sg. pronoun are obsolete
>> in NT Koine Greek
>>
>> >Did this come into disuse in Koine?
>>
>> Answered above.
>
>Actually I was not asking if this pronoun came into disuse but my question
>was if this particular use of the pronoun came into disuse.
>Clyde Pharr says about hOI in Iliad 1:104; "dat. of interest or reference
>(or possibly of possession)."
>I compared this use of the dative pronoun to SOI in Mark 2:18. Maybe this
>is not a valid comparison.
>So my question in different words would be; Did the dative of possession
>come into disuse in Koine?
>
>Bert de Haan.
>
>
No, it did NOT become obsolete. Examples:
Mt 18:12 EAN GENHTAI TINI ANQRWPWi hEKATON PROBATA ...
Lk 1:14 KAI ESTAI CARA SOI KAI AGALLIASIS
Jn 1:6 ONOMA AUTWi IWANNHS (HN)
BUT the SOI OF Mk 2;18 is not a dative; it's the pronominal adjective, m.
pl. nom.
--
Carl W. Conrad
Department of Classics, Washington University (Emeritus)
1989 Grindstaff Road/Burnsville, NC 28714/(828) 675-4243
cwconrad at artsci.wustl.edu
WWW: http://www.ioa.com/~cwconrad/
More information about the B-Greek
mailing list