[B-Greek] Jacob and James

Arie Dirkzwager dirkzwager at pandora.be
Sat Feb 28 14:33:13 EST 2004


Tony,

Even in the LXX Joshua is called IHSOUS.
So the familiar form the Jews read in the LXX was adopted here too.

Arie



Dr. A. Dirkzwager
Hoeselt, Belgium
e-mail dirkzwager at pandora.be

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Onderwerp: Re: Re: [B-Greek] Jacob and James


> Dear Arie, thank you for your feed back, much appreciated. It just 
> seems odd that when the NT quotes other OT figures it seems to 
> retain their name as the LXX does, but Jacob seems to be an 
> exception. Even the name IHSOUS is used of the Joshua of the 
> OT in Acts 7:45 and Heb 4:8. It is interesting that while modern 
> English translations have "Joshua", the King James Version had 
> translated this name directly from the Greek as "Jesus". 
> A.T.Robertson also maintains the position in his "Word Pictures of 
> the New Testament' that James was a Hellenized form of Jacob. 
> In Heb 11:22 the "Jospeh" of the OT is spelled the same way as 
> the LXX has it. It just seems odd that the name Jacob would have 
> under gone a different change in morphology.
> 
> Tony Costa
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > From: "Arie Dirkzwager" <dirkzwager at pandora.be>
> > Date: 2004/02/28 Sat AM 03:51:02 EST
> > To: "Tony Costa" <tmcos at rogers.com>,  <b-
> greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
> > Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Jacob and James
> > 
> > Dear Tony,
> > 
> > Flavius Josephus calls (e.g.) the patriarchs Jacob and Joseph 
> IAKWBOS and
> > IWSHPOS. Therefore I think that using Greek additions like -OS 
> is a sign of
> > adaptation to the Greek environment.
> > 
> > For people who use Jacob and Joseph for the patriarchs these 
> names are
> > familiar from the religious realm of the Old Testament. These 
> Jacob and
> > Joseph did not live in a Greek environment.
> > If those people use Jacobus and Josep(h)us for living people it 
> is a sign
> > that those Jacobs and Josephs usually got a name with -OS in 
> the Greek
> > world.
> > 
> > Arie
> > 
> > Dr. A. Dirkzwager
> > Hoeselt, Belgium
> > e-mail dirkzwager at pandora.be
> > 
> > ----- Oorspronkelijk bericht -----
> > Van: "Tony Costa" <tmcos at rogers.com>
> > Aan: <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
> > Verzonden: zaterdag 28 februari 2004 7:34
> > Onderwerp: [B-Greek] Jacob and James
> > 
> > 
> > Dear Friends, when the NT alludes to the patriarch Jacob it 
> renders the name
> > IAKWB (eg. Heb.11:21). However, when it mentions James, it 
> uses IAKWBOS (eg.
> > Matt.13:55; James 1:1) Why does the NT render this name 
> differently by
> > adding OS to the end of IAKWB thus giving us IAKWBOS? Why 
> did it not simply
> > use IAKWB?
> > 
> > Tony Costa
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