[B-Greek] Re: some linguistic questions on Jn 7:8
Polycarp66 at aol.com
Polycarp66 at aol.com
Tue Jan 27 14:46:21 EST 2004
In a message dated 1/27/2004 1:44:13 PM Eastern Standard Time,
jgibson000 at comcast.net writes:
Wieland Willker wrote:
> I don't think that there are any grammatical subtleties involved,
> because already Porphyry the philosopher (3rd CE) notes that with the
> OUK we would have a lying Jesus.
Is that what he actually says?
> Context requires that he did not want to go (thus there is no real
> difference here between OUK and OUPW). I think (with B. Weiss) that
> apparently Jesus changed his mind due to a hint of God or what ever. We
> will never know.
>
Have you considered the remarks of Epiphanius (and Ray Brown) on the double
meaning of anabainw here?
mesazoushs gar ths heorths hlqe fhsi "kai anebh eis Ierosoluma", "kai
elegon: oux outos estin on ezhoun piasai; kai idou en parrhsi lalei:
mh ara emaqon oi iereis oi outos estin ho Xristos; alla oidamen outos
poqen esti". musthriwdws gar kai pneumatikws autou dialegomenou tois
autou adelfois ouk hdeisan ti elegen. elege gar autois mh anabainein
eis ton ouranon en th eorth ekeinh mhde eis ton stauron, tou teleiwsai
tews thn oikonomian tou paqous autou kai ths swthrias to musthrion kai
ek nekrwn anasthnai kai eis ton ouranon anabhnai: aina eplhrou panta
en tv idia autou ecousia.
__________
I seriously doubt that the church would have countenanced a presentation of
her Lord as a "lying Jesus." It would be good to have the text before us even
though most of us probably don't use the transliteration.
hUMEIS ANABHTE EIS THN hEORTHN; EGW OUK ANABAINW EIS THN hEORTHN TAUTHN . . .
The thing that strikes me here is TAUTHN. This feast refers to the Feast of
Tabernacles. Nevertheless, after an interval in which it is narrated that
Jesus' brothers went to the feast and the questioning regarding Jesus' failure to
appear, he does go. It seems to imply that he has changed his mind. I am
inclined to think that it is almost presented that he was cognizant of the
questioning without having been present. In any event, he does go to the feast.
Then it is reported that he left Jerusalem to go to the Jordan and then
subsequently to return for the Feast of Passover. It would seem that our gospel
author is stating NOT THIS FEAST, but the Feast of Passover. Thus, a double
meaning for ANABAINW may be entirely intended.
gfsomsel
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