[B-Greek] hUPOMONH in the Apocalypse
George F. Somsel
gfsomsel at juno.com
Tue Jun 1 20:36:03 EDT 2004
On May 31, 2004 Iver Larsen wrote:
>
> hUPOMONH appears 21 times in the Apocalypse -- Re 1.9; 2.2, 3, 19;
> 3.10;13.10; and 14.12. It appears 96 times in the entire NT. Normally
> it is translated "patience, endurance, fortitude, steadfastness,
> perserverance." Note, however, Re 13.10
>
> EI TIS EIS AIXMALWSIAN,
> EIS AIXMALWSIAN hUPAGEI;
> EI TIS EN MAXAIRHi APOKTANQHNAI
> AUTON EN MAXAIRHi APOKTANQHNAI.
>
> hWDE ESTIN hH hUPOMONH KAI hH PISTIS TWN hAGIWN.
> and Re 14.12
>
> hWDE hH hUPOMONH TWN hAGIWN ESTIN, hOI THROUNTES TAS ENTOLAS TOU QEOU
KAI
> THN PISTIN IHSOU.
>
> In these verses this gloss does not seem to fit. It would appear that
> there is a sense which is different from and probably derived from the
> normal meaning. I would suggest that the author of the Apocalypse uses
> this word in the sense of "conviction, confession" or even "creed."
>
> Any thoughts? Does anyone agree that the meanings "patience,
endurance,
> etc." are inappropriate here?
>
> gfsomsel
> Well, I cannot see how confession or creed could fit the context, and I
> don't seen any problem with "endurance". Maybe your problem is hWDE?
> NET Bible has:
> 13:10: This requires steadfast endurance and faith from the saints.
> Their note on hWDE reads:
> "On hWDE here, BAGD 815 s.v. 2.b states: w. the local mng. weakened: in
this
> case, at this point, on this occasion, under these circumstances, in
this
> case moreover 1 Cor 4:2."
> This special use of hWDE is also found in
> Rev 13:18: This calls for wisdom.
> Rev 14:12: This requires the steadfast endurance of the saints.
> Rev 17:9: This requires a mind that has wisdom.
> So, hWDE ESTIN is a short way of saying "this calls for" or "this
requires"
> or "here one needs to have" or "here it is important to have".
> Iver Larsen
________
I have seen the NET note concerning this and, pace D.B. Wallace, et al
involved with it, don't feel that it in any way solves the problem. Nor
do I feel that this is a correct understanding of the usage of hWDE in
this passage. Surely, had it been the intention to say that "This
requires" it would have been more likely that DEI would have been used.
I have the feeling that the committee involved with NET had no better
idea what to do with this than any other translation committee has had.
gfsomsel
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