[B-Greek] Rev 17:9 hWDE

George F. Somsel gfsomsel at juno.com
Wed Jun 2 11:09:01 EDT 2004


Daniel,

It is not unusual in Greek to have a nominal sentence.  This does not
mean that it is a fragment but that the reader must understand to
connection -- "Here IS . . ."  Also, there several realtionships between
the adjective and the noun which it qualifies when it has an article (as
here).  Other languages have similar things which are understood.  If I
recall correctly, Russian has no definite article (I could be wrong about
this since I haven't looked at it since HS which is more years ago than I
care to think about).

1st Attr.   :  Art.-Adj.--Noun       hO AGAQOS ANQRWPOS
2nd Attr. :  Art.-Noun-Art.-Adj. hO ANQRWPOS hO AGAQOS
3rd Attr.  :  Noun-Art.-Adj.         ANQRWPOS hO AGAQOS

These are all "The good man."

1st Pred. : Adj.-Art.-Noun         AGAQOS hO ANQRWPOS
2nd Pred.: Art.-Noun-Adj.         hO ANQRWPOS AGAQOS

These are "The man IS good."

What we have in Re 17.9 is the 2nd attr. position so hO NOUS hO EXWN
SOFIAN should be "the wise mind" or "the intelligent thought" or some
such construction.  With hWDE it becomes "Here IS the XXX [supply your
preference of the possible translations of hO NOUS hO EXWN SOFIAN].

gfsomsel
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On Wed, 2 Jun 2004 09:25:25 -0500 "Daniel Gleason"
<info at revelationjesuschrist.com> writes:
> HH III wrote: Iver has been helpful in pointing out the parallel 
> usage of
> hWDE in Rev 13:18 and 17:9. I think Rev 17:9 is particularly clear 
> in
> showing
> the force of the usage: Rev. 17:9 And here is the mind which hath 
> wisdom.
> The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
> 
> HH: The phrase means something like "It takes wisdom to figure this 
> out" or
> "the one who figures this out is wise." So the NIV translation seems 
> good:
> 
> Rev. 17:9 ¶  "This calls for a mind with wisdom. The seven heads are 
> seven
> hills on which the woman sits. Yours, Harold Holmyard
> _____________
> 
> Dear Harold and all others who have commented on this fascinating
> translation of 17:9 ... What do you think of this translation?:
> 
> REV 17:9 Here! The Mind! The-One-having Wisdom! ... The Seven Heads 
> are
> Seven Mountains ... where The Woman sits on them ... and they-are 
> Seven
> Kings.
> When I read Rev, I see an author who constantly writes in sentence 
> fragments
> ... kind of how people talk. The word "Here!" (an exclamation) 
> refers to the
> riddle that follows in the same verse. "The Mind!" (another 
> exclamation)
> refers to the person who can figure out the meaning of the riddle. 
> The
> riddle (three short simple statements) refers (in my opinion) 
> possibly to a
> geometry diagram based on gematria.
> 
> Daniel Gleason
> 
> 
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