[B-Greek] hUPOMONH in the Apocalypse
George F. Somsel
gfsomsel at juno.com
Wed Jun 2 16:04:09 EDT 2004
Harold,
Thanks for calling this to my attention. It had slipped my mind. Of
course, it doesn't solve the problem of hUPOMONH in James 1.3 -- it
simply extends it to Paul.
gfsomsel
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On Wed, 2 Jun 2004 10:27:04 -0500 "Harold R. Holmyard III"
<hholmyard at ont.com> writes:
> Dear George,
>
> >We will simply have to disagree here. I am not the least bit
> convinced
> >of your position. Even should one grant that hWDE is used with
> the
> >significance of "calls for" or "requires" (which I don't grant), it
> still
> >does not follow that hUPOMONH is used for "endurance." I was also
> >thinking of Jas 1.3
> >
> >TO DOKIMON hUMWN THS PISTEWS KATERGAZETAI hUPOMONH
> >
> >It has always seemed evident to me that even here "endurance" is
> an
> >inappropriate rendering of hUPOMONH. It just as likely that TO
> DOKIMON .
> >. . THS PISTEWS would produce OLIGOYUXIA (?) [ > OLIGOYUXOS]
> >"discoragement." It would be more true to say that the trial of
> one's
> >faith "requires" endurance though it is clearly stated that it
> produces
> >hUPOMONH. What a trial of one's faith would produce is rather
> >"conviction" which is the opposite of James' ANHR DIYUXOS (Jas
> 1.8).
>
> HH: Well, perhaps your understanding of Jas 1:3 is throwing off your
>
> understanding of the verses in Revelation, for hUPOMONH can
> certainly
> mean "endurance" here, and that it does is shown by the clearly
> parallel verse in Romans:
>
> Rom. 5:3 Not only so, but we also rejoice in our sufferings, because
>
> we know that suffering produces perseverance;
>
> HH: The word "perseverance" in Rom 5:3 is hUPOMONH. The same verb
> KATERGAZOMAI occurs in both Rom 5:3 and Jas 1:3. The idea of
> "suffering" in Rom 5:3 is parallel to "the testing of your faith" in
>
> Jas 1:3, for the latter phrase is a way to describe "various kinds
> of
> trials" in Jas 1:2. So the two verses make essentially the same
> point, that hard times develop the quality of endurance in
> believers.
>
> Yours,
> Harold Holmyard
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