[B-Greek] More Basil questions

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Mon Jun 7 10:23:51 EDT 2004


> >MH QAUMAZETE DE EI KAQ hEKASTHN hHMERAN EIS DIDASKALOU FOITWSI, KAI 
> >TOIS ELLOGIMOIS TWN PALAIWN ANDRWN DI hWN KATALELOIPASI LOGWN 
> >SUGGINOMENOIS hUMIN, AUTOS TI PAR EMAUTOU LUSITELESTERON EXEURHKENAI 
> >FHMI. TOUTO MEN OUN AUTO KAI XUMBOULEUSWN hHKW, TO MH DEIN EIS hAPAX 
> >TOIS ANDRASI TOUTOIS, hWSPER PLOIOU TA PHDALIA THS DIANOIAS hUMWN 
> >PARADONTAS, hHiPER AN AGWSI, TAUTH XUNEPESQAI, ALL hOSON 
> ESTI CRHSIMON 
> >AUTWN DECOMENOUS, EIDENAI TI CRH KAI PARIDEIN.
> >
> >Maybe I've been staring at it too long, but I can't figure these out:
> >
> >1. EIS in both sentences does not seem to have an accusative, being 
> >with genitive or dative. Is this not the preposition EIS? 
> (Maybe some 
> >form of
> >EIMI?)
> 
> No, you recognized the genitive DIDASKALOU with EIS; here 
> there's an implicit or elliptical OIKIAN, as we would 
> say,"Let's go over to John's"--meaning "to John's house" or 
> "to John's tavern," or whatever. In the other instance the 
> EIS is not going with TOIS ANDRASI TOUTOIS but simply is 
> understood with hAPAX--sometimes it's even written as one 
> word EISAPAX with the sense "for one time only."

Okay, I think I can understand that. It explains why one translation had 'go
to school', since I guess a school is like the 'house of the teacher'.

I'll check out the EIS hAPAX some more!

 
> >2. In the second sentence, how should I translate hHiPER AN 
> AGWSI? Is 
> >hHiPER dative feminine form of hOSPER? Also, how to parse 
> AGWSI (is it 
> >from AGAW)?
> 
> Yes it is a dative feminine form of hOSPER, but inthis 
> instance there is (or once was) an implicit hODWi so that 
> hHiPER AN AGWSI means something like "whichever way in fact 
> they lead (you/us) ..." This usage of the feminine dative sg. 
> of a demonstrative TAUTHi or of a relative pronoun hHi or 
> sometimes even the weak demonstrative THiDE or the weaker 
> demonstrative that is identical with the article (which was 
> originally a very weak
> demonstrative) THi is old and persistent in Greek.

Thanks for the explanation! So AGWSI is pres act subj 3rd pl of AGW?


Craig Johnson
Brisbane, Australia.




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