[B-Greek] Rev 3:10

Polycarp66 at aol.com Polycarp66 at aol.com
Sat Mar 13 16:31:26 EST 2004


In a message dated 3/13/2004 2:56:56 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
jgibson000 at comcast.net writes:
> You might also take a look at Jn 17.15 where a very similar construction is
> used
>
> OUK ERWTW hINA ARHiS AUTOUS EK TOU KOSMOU, ALL' hINA THRHSHiS AUTOUS EK TOU
> PONHROU
>
> Also, a related concept is in the Pater Noster in Mt 6 although the
> preposition there is APO rather than EK.
>
> KAI MH EISENEGKHiS hHMAS EIS PEIRASMON,
> ALLA hRUSAI hHMAS APO TOU PONHROU.
>
> With the verb THREW I would be inclined to understand it as "keep from."
> With the verb hRUOMAI I would be inclined to understand it as "deliver us 
OUT OF."

Keep in mind three things:

1. in Rev 3:10 the EK is with a reference to time, not to place or 
thing/person.
I'm not sure there is much difference with regard to the preposition here.
2. there's is not much conceptual difference between "from" and "out of" if 
the sense
is "from out of".
Only the difference of preservation or rescue.
3. all bets about proper use of prepositions are off when it comes to the 
Greek of
Rev. since we have a writer who writes in Greek but thinks in a Semitic 
language.  Is
there a Semitic idiom underlying the expression?
R. H. Charles doesn't note one.  Usually he is very prompt to note such.

gfsomsel



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