[B-Greek] John 17 DEDWKAS
Arie Dirkzwager
dirkzwager at pandora.be
Thu Oct 28 06:17:01 EDT 2004
Is it possible that we have to look for a Hebrew/Aramaic background for
these changes? There we have an alternation between perfect and imperfect in
sentences in parataxis in order to express what we would like to say in
hypotaxis. I think it is possible that a Semite continues to use the
alternation where he is writing in hypotaxis.
Arie
Dr. A. Dirkzwager
Hoeselt, Belgium
e-mail dirkzwager at pandora.be
----- Oorspronkelijk bericht -----
Van: "Carl W. Conrad" <cwconrad at artsci.wustl.edu>
Aan: "Wieland Willker" <willker at chemie.uni-bremen.de>
CC: "B-Greek" <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
Verzonden: donderdag 28 oktober 2004 12:04
Onderwerp: Re: [B-Greek] John 17 DEDWKAS
> At 9:43 AM +0200 10/28/04, Wieland Willker wrote:
> >In John 17 no less than 17 times forms of DIDWMI like DEDWKAS, DEDWKA,
> >EDWKAS etc. appear.
> >I am wondering if there is a difference in meaning between the Aorist
> >and the Perfect. Why those changes from Aorist to Perfect? Compare:
> >John 17:2 KAQWS EDWKAS AUTW EXOUSIAN PASHS SARKOS, INA PAN O DEDWKAS
> >AUTW DWSH AUTOIS ZWHN AIWNION.
> >17:4 EGW SE EDOXASA EPI THS GHS TO ERGON TELEIWSAS O DEDWKAS MOI INA
> >POIHSW,
> >17:6 EFANERWSA SOU TO ONOMA TOIS ANQRWPOIS OUS EDWKAS MOI EK TOU KOSMOU.
> >SOI HSAN KAMOI AUTOUS EDWKAS KAI TON LOGON SOU TETHRHKAN.
> >17:7 NUN EGNWKAN OTI PANTA OSA DEDWKAS MOI PARA SOU EISIN,
> >17:8 OTI TA RHMATA A EDWKAS MOI DEDWKA AUTOIS
> >...
>
> Well, for what it's worth, my own judgment is that the author of GJn
> appears sometimes to use the perfect tense deliberately with emphasis upon
> the stative present, but that on the other hand he perhaps provides more
> evidence than most GNT authors of the tendency of the aorist to supplant
> the perfect in the indicative so that any real distinction between the
> perfect as stative and the aorist as perfective has become moot. I really
> don't believe that there's any aspectual difference between EDWKAS and
> DEDWKAS in 17:2 or in the other aorists and perfects in these verses. I'd
> convey them all in English with the auxiliary "have" and the participle.
> --
>
> Carl W. Conrad
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