[B-Greek] Rev 1 1 => Main Clause
Carl W. Conrad
cwconrad at artsci.wustl.edu
Sun Oct 31 15:55:07 EST 2004
At 5:34 PM +0100 10/31/04, Peter Streitenberger wrote:
>APOKALUYIS IHSOU CRISTOU hHN EDWKEN AUTWi
>hO QEOS ^ TOIS DOULOIS AUTOU hA DEI GENESQAI EN TACEI, KAI ESHMANEN
>APOSTEILAS DIA TOU AGGELOU AUTU TWi DOULWi AUTOU IWANNHi, hOS EMARTURHSEN
>TON LOGON TOU QEOU KAI THN MARTURIAN IHSOU CRISTOU hOSA EIDEN.
>(Thank's to Carl)
You're omitting, as I did in my transcription that you've copied, DEIXAI
"to show, reveal"--thisis what governs the dative TOIS DOULOIS AUTOI:
"which God gave to him to reveal to his servants what must take place
shortly ..."
>I'd translate:
>
>And he [God or Jesus] indicated his servant John - who bore wittness to
>the word of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ - the things [i.e. the
>content of the revelation] he [i.e. John] saw [i.e. by vision], sending by
>his angel.
As George has already noted, this really is impossible and involves
transposition of syntactic elements almost willy nilly from their positions.
>Some further considerations:
>
>- the sentence is complete in itself - there's no need to import an "it"
>as a word-substitution.
>- What sense does the hOSA EIDEN in connection with LOGOS TOU QEOU and
>MARTURIA IHSOU XRISTOU make ? There's some phantasy needed....
>- EIDENAI in the revelation usually is used to show the visionary
>experieces of John. There is no need to search which
>extra-revelation-things John actually saw.
For the record, EIDENAI is the infinitive of OIDA "know"; although this is
from the same root as IDEIN the aorist infinitive of EIDON, it is different
in meaning. IDEIN is the verb used in Rev 1:2.
>- LOGOS TOU QEOU and MARTURIA IHSOU XRISTOU can just stand alone, without
>any need no further appositions - just as 1,9 and 6,9
>- the Neuter plural - as hOSA - is usually used to refer to the things
>John saw: hA EIDES KAI hA EISIN KAI hA MELLEI GINESQAI META TAUTA
>- The next Vers contains TA GEGRAMMENA (Neuter Plural) again, just as I'd
>refer the hOSA to the content of the revelation.
>- The transmission is DIA TOU AGGELOU AUTOU just as Rev 22 16. The object
>there is TAUTA (Neuter Plural) again.
>
>
>- my key issue with EMARTURHSEN actually was, that the content of the
>revelation (imo: hOSA EIDEN) couldn't be one of the things John bore
>witness to in the aorist-past and so it should't be taken to the
>appositional clause.
>
>
>Peter
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Carl W. Conrad
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