[B-Greek] 1John 2:18

Eddie Mishoe edmishoe at yahoo.com
Thu Sep 2 13:12:46 EDT 2004


Dony:

I think "have become" or "have been" both miss the
Perfect tense here. That is why John uses the adverb
NUN in conjunction with the Perfect tense: the Perfect
tense denotes a current state of affairs (so NUN). The
point that this passage is conveying to John's
recipients is the "antichrists are currently on the
scene, they not only have appeared (so NET Bible), but
also they are still present." John is referencing with
the Perfect tense (even without NUN) that the
antichrists "are present."

Avoid any English nuance that conveys an exclusive
past tense idea. Same with the Heb passage.

Eddie

--- Arie Dirkzwager <dirkzwager at pandora.be> wrote:

> Dony,
> 
> GEGONASIN (first singular GEGONA) is the perfect of
> GINOMAI "to come into
> existence ". It is also used as the perfect of EIMI
> "to be".
> So I would not use "have become" as a translation.
> "Have been" is possible.
> "Have come" can be seen as a free translation of
> "have come into existence".
> 
> In Hb 12: 8 we have the combination METOCOI
> GEGONASIN "they have got".
> 
> Arie
> 
> 
> Dr. A. Dirkzwager
> Hoeselt, Belgium
> e-mail dirkzwager at pandora.be
> 
> ----- Oorspronkelijk bericht -----
> Van: "Dony K. Donev" <dony at cupandcross.com>
> Aan: <B-Greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
> Verzonden: woensdag 1 september 2004 18:04
> Onderwerp: [B-Greek] 1John 2:18
> 
> 
> Would rendering of GEGONASIN in 1 John 2:18 as "have
> become" rather than
> "have been" or "have come" be appropriate? I draw
> the question from the only
> other occasion of this form I found in the NT in
> Heb. 12:8.
> Thanks.
> 
> Dony K. Donev
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