[B-Greek] Resources for the Greek Iliad et. al.

Carl W.Conrad cwconrad at ioa.com
Fri Apr 22 16:20:15 EDT 2005


On Apr 22, 2005, at 2:18 PM, Keith Saare wrote:

> This topic is justified for it uses the historical comparative method  
> of
> study through the centuries leading up to the Koine and Greek NT. I am
> hoping you seasoned classicists will lend a helping hand while I am in
> the groundbreaking phase of venturing outside of the NT to study the
> changes the language went through before arriving at the first century.

Keith, if you want to check the items you're listing here word-by-word  
from the opening of the Iliad, I suggest that you complete a few lines  
and then go to the Perseus web-site, starting at the page

	http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/cgi-bin/ptext? 
doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0133

You'll find that you can click on any word-form there and a parsing box  
will pop up with the parsing for the word and a simple glossary  
definition as well as links to major lexica, in this case LSJ and  
Autenrieth's Homeric dictionary. If, as you say, you have no resources  
of your own at hand, this Perseus resource provides you with what you  
need to pursue your goal. You can even compare your own work with  
Samuel Butler's prose version of the Iliad. Moreover, at the same site  
there's Walter Leaf's century-old commentary on the Greek text of the  
Iliad:

	http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/cgi-bin/ptext? 
doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.04.0056

If you find a particular passage troubling, then certainly you may post  
the list about it, but this is really NOT the place to do detailed  
word-by-word analysis of any continuous Greek text, whether Homeric,  
Classical, Koine, Byzantine, or what-have you. Perhaps your inquiry has  
served the purpose of calling attention to very valuable on-line  
resources for studying Greek texts other than the Biblical Greek text:  
there is a wealth of material at the Perseus site and there's material  
at other sites also for detailed work on extra-Biblical Greek texts.

> My resources for studying classical are very scarce. I am relying upon
> Liddell & Scott (L&S) and my NT grammars. Obviously my work will be
> deficient, but I welcome your critique to correct my numerous mistakes
> which I am about to spew forth.
>
>
>
> I've never read The Iliad in translation, but my analysis of the  
> opening
> lines is as follows:
>
>
>
> * MHNIN - L&S lexical form: MHNIS (Acc. Sg. Fem.), direct object of the
> following imperative AEIDE,  "wrath," "anger."
>
> * AEIDE - L&S lexical form: AEIDW (Pres. Act. Impv. 2nd pers. Sing.),
> "sing!", "chant!"
>
> *QEA - Voc. "O goddess"
>
> * PHLHIADEW - L&S lexical form: PHLEUS (Epic genitive form. Sg. Used in
> a paternal context? Gen. of relationship? [I'm not sure here, somebody
> help me please.]), "son of Peleus."
>
> * ACILHOS - L&S form:  ACILLEUS (Epic genitive form. Connected to  
> MHNIN:
> "wrath of Achilles"), "of Achilles."
>
> * OULOMENHN - L&S lexical form: OULOMENOS (Aor. Mid. Part. Acc. Fem.
> Sg.), modifies MHNIN and used as adjective, "destructive."
>
>
>
> My wooden translation: "Sing, O goddess, (the) destructive wrath of
> Achilles son of Peleus,"
>
>
>
> To keep this message from getting too long, I'll stop at this point and
> pick up later in another thread where I left off.
>
>
>
> Keith Saare
>
>
>
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Carl W. Conrad
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