[B-Greek] Luke 22:70 & 23:3 'you say'?

Carl W. Conrad cwconrad at ioa.com
Thu Aug 11 11:59:30 EDT 2005


On Aug 11, 2005, at 11:06 AM, Harold R. Holmyard III wrote:

> Dear Carl,
>
>
>>> HH: An earlier precedent in the context of Christ's last days is:
>>>
>>> Matt. 26:25 ¶ Then Judas, the one who would
>>> betray him, said,  "Surely not I, Rabbi?" ¶ Jesus
>>> answered,  "Yes, it is you."
>>>
>>> HH: The words "Yes, it is you" in Greek are SU EIPAS: "You have  
>>> said (it)."
>>>
>>
>> While some might do so, I'm not sure that
>> everybody would accept this as a legitimate
>> "precedent" for the usage in Lk 22:70 and 23:3.
>>
>
> HH: I don't understand what you mean. Could you please explain?

(1) The claim that it MEANS "Yes, it is you." is not one that  
everyone will buy; that's certainly not what the Greek text actually  
says; this is an interpretation. Unquestionably it is similar, but as  
Iver has argued in his own response on this question, there are  
different ways of making sense of "You say so" or "You have said so."

(2) There are some hermeneutical and historico-critical assumptions  
involved here also that certainly aren't matters of general consensus  
among B-Greekers: Luke's dependency upon Matthew's text (Lucan  
priority), among others. We don't discuss these matters on B-Greek,  
but an assertion made on the basis of assumptions that aren't shared  
is not going to convince those with different assumptions.

Carl W. Conrad
Department of Classics, Washington University (Emeritus)
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