[B-Greek] 1 Peter 1:15
kgraham0938 at comcast.net
kgraham0938 at comcast.net
Tue Jan 4 15:43:02 EST 2005
Kelton,
I am not sure how the mood or the tense bear upon Charles' point that the
subject, "Thy will," nevertheless does not itself "do" in the active sense the
action of the verb (the stative). The will does not "bring to pass" but "is
brought to pass." ("I ran," vs. "I was run").
Response: Hey Tim, the point that I was making was that aorist imperatives, sometimes passive or active usually point to "request" as opposed to focusing on voice. ( well that is the way I see it)
For instance the way I read Luke 15:6 Christ says in an aorist passive
" SUGXAIRW MOI" Rejoice with me. Here is the thing, it is passive, but nothing else is making them rejoice. Christ is simply making a request.
So even though it is passive, I see the aorist imperative focusing more on "request" as opposed to it being passive or active.
TIM:"Let your will be brought to pass." God's will is realized or done by
another; His will performs *passively* the action as it is carried out
*actively* (in
or by the actions of) by the unnamed agent. (And here, not to open up a th
eological can of worms, we have God as the primary agent and whoever/whatever as
the secondary).
Response: Yes, that would open up a can of worms. But the thing that seems a bit odd to me is seperating God's will from himself. Inortherwords, if God is the ultimate agent doing his will, it seems weird that one could say that his will is passive, yet still being accomplished.
TIM:This, of course, invites all sorts of questions because of the coordinates,
"Let/May Your kingdom come, "Let/May Your Name be made holy." God's kingdom is
both brought and comes. Here, though, the active form settles the matter
linguistically. Nevertheless, what is being communicated is contextually
informed.
Hmmmm. Much to ponder.
Response: Wow that is much to ponder, well consider the above and tell me what you think.
Kelton Graham
Seminary Student
Detroit Mi
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> In a message dated 1/4/05 5:32:57 PM, kgraham0938 at comcast.net writes:
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> <<
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> " The imperative is often used to express a request. This is normally seen
> when the speaker is addessing a superior."
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>
>
> So he translates is as " Let your kingdom come." (ELQETW), let your will be
> done. (GENHQHTW)
>
>
> So, I don't think God is dependent upon us to do his will for him, rather the
> aorist passive is indicating a request. God's will, will take place no
> matter what.
>
>
> Kelton Graham
>
> Seminary Student
>
> Michigan >>
>
> Kelton,
>
> I am not sure how the mood or the tense bear upon Charles' point that the
> subject, "Thy will," nevertheless does not itself "do" in the active sense the
> action of the verb (the stative). The will does not "bring to pass" but "is
> brought to pass." ("I ran," vs. "I was run").
>
> "Let your will be brought to pass." God's will is realized or done by
> another; His will performs *passively* the action as it is carried out
> *actively* (in
> or by the actions of) by the unnamed agent. (And here, not to open up a th
> eological can of worms, we have God as the primary agent and whoever/whatever as
> the secondary).
>
> This, of course, invites all sorts of questions because of the coordinates,
> "Let/May Your kingdom come, "Let/May Your Name be made holy." God's kingdom is
> both brought and comes. Here, though, the active form settles the matter
> linguistically. Nevertheless, what is being communicated is contextually
> informed.
>
> Hmmmm. Much to ponder.
>
> Pr. Tim Rake
> Praise Lutheran Church
> Maryville, TN
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