[B-Greek] 1 Peter 1:15

kgraham0938 at comcast.net kgraham0938 at comcast.net
Tue Jan 4 15:49:02 EST 2005


Hi Harold, your name sounds familiar to me, don't know where I know it.  Are you ever on CARM??  I go by Osoclasi on there, or have you written a book of some sort??  Anyway...

"HH: I agree with Charles. Obviously it is a 
prayer for something to happen that might not 
happen. God's moral will is not done on earth as 
in heaven, in fact. His will is more likely to be 
done on earth when His kingdom comes. Charles 
recognized that it was a prayer, so he knows that 
God is to be involved. But it still concerns life 
on earth, where people are free to do God's will 
or not to do it:"

Response: Well, I hear what you are saying, I was just pointing out that I don't think that the passive aorist is pointing to God's will being passive.  Maybe my theology is getting in the way here.  I was just saying that I think that the aorist is pointing more to a request as oppossed to God being passive.

Matt. 7:21 ¶  "Not everyone who says to me, 
'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, 
but only he who does the will of my Father who is 
in heaven.

HH: Matthew 7:21 assumes that there are people 
who do God's will, and those who don't do God's 
will. Insofar as these people are not doing God's 
will, perhaps people like Hitler who claimed to 
be a Catholic, God's will is not getting done on 
earth. A prayer to God can certainly refer 
indirectly to other agents who may be involved in 
the implications of the prayer.


Response: Well, again this may be my theology talking but I think God's will is done here on earth.  But that is another topic, I was just pointing out that I think that the aorist points more to a request as opposed to God's will being passive.  Thanks for responding to me.
				


> Dear Kelton,
> 
> >Charles:"GENHQHTE
> >
> >Matthew 6:10 'Your kingdom come. Your will be done, On earth as it is in
> >heaven.
> >
> >GENHQHTO TO QELHMA ñ aorist passive imperative 3s
> >
> >In this prayer that the will of God be accomplished on earth, it is man who
> >must do the will of God for the prayer to be answered. It is not the will of
> >God which acts upon itself in order to be accomplished. I would suggest the
> >passage remains viably passive in sense.
> >
> >Kelton:  Hello Charles, I understand what you 
> >are saying here but I don't think I'd agree with 
> >your end result here.
> >
> >I don't know how you feel about Wallace, but he 
> >labels this particular aorist passive as that of 
> >a request.  Under definition he writes
> >
> >" The imperative is often used to express a 
> >request.  This is normally seen when the speaker 
> >is addessing a superior."
> >
> >So he translates is as " Let your kingdom come." 
> >(ELQETW), let your will be done. (GENHQHTW)
> >
> >So, I don't think God is dependent upon us to do 
> >his will for him, rather the aorist passive is 
> >indicating a request.  God's will, will take 
> >place no matter what.
> 
> HH: I agree with Charles. Obviously it is a 
> prayer for something to happen that might not 
> happen. God's moral will is not done on earth as 
> in heaven, in fact. His will is more likely to be 
> done on earth when His kingdom comes. Charles 
> recognized that it was a prayer, so he knows that 
> God is to be involved. But it still concerns life 
> on earth, where people are free to do God's will 
> or not to do it:
> 
> Matt. 7:21 ¶  "Not everyone who says to me, 
> 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, 
> but only he who does the will of my Father who is 
> in heaven.
> 
> HH: Matthew 7:21 assumes that there are people 
> who do God's will, and those who don't do God's 
> will. Insofar as these people are not doing God's 
> will, perhaps people like Hitler who claimed to 
> be a Catholic, God's will is not getting done on 
> earth. A prayer to God can certainly refer 
> indirectly to other agents who may be involved in 
> the implications of the prayer.
> 
> 				Yours,
> 				Harold Holmyard
> 
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