Re [B-Greek] Bad grammer in Rev??
Schmuel
schmuel at escape.com
Thu Jan 13 18:12:24 EST 2005
Hi b-greek,
When we look at bad grammar claims in Revelation, there is an important issue that is often omitted.
Will Kinney, although not claiming to be an accomplished Greek scholar, looked at a number of the verses claimed by Torrey to be terrible grammar, simply using the regular tools available.
This was done in the context of a dialog with Aramaic Primacists, who were claiming error
in the Greek text.
http://www.studylight.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2415&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=165
Ten examples were offered by Charles Cutler Torrey to which Will was responding.
Upon analysis seven of these supposed Greek grammatical errors were simply limited
to the critical text, and the supposed grammatical error does not exist in the Textus Receptus.
Will also showed that the other three were essentially errors of Torrey,
although of course folks on this forum may want to offer their commentary.
Even if modern scholarship often is done on the alexandrian critical text, it is
important to realize that this accusation against the Greek NT (which is often
made by those who believe in "Aramaic Primacy" or by those like skeptics who
are belittling the NT) is not applicable against the historic Reformation/Protestant Bible.
And, it would be incumbent to see if this is true on other such accusations against
other verses in Revelation. It surely would not be fair scholarship to impugn the historic
Greek NT because of the errors of the text that mostly just came to be used in the 20th century.
Here are the seven examples in which the TR and the alexandrian text differ.
Rev. 1:15
His legs were like burnished brass (neut. gender dative case) as in a furnace purified"
(Fem. gender sing. no., gen. case)
The TR and majority text has masculine plural (purified) agreeing with "his feet"
Rev. 14:14
"I saw on the cloud one seated like unto a Son of Man (accus.) having (nom.) upon his head a golden crown."
And upon the cloud ONE SAT (the subject of the sentence and is in the nominative case in the TR )
Rev. 14:19
"He harvested the vintage of the earth, and cast it into the winepress (fem), the great [winepress] (masc.) of the wrath of God.
TR has both winepress and "great" as feminine. "
Rev. 17:4
A golden cup filled with abominations (gen.) and with unclean things" (accus.)
The TR has both "abominations" and "filthiness" (genitive singular) in the genitive.
Rev. 20:2
And he seized the dragon (accus.), the old serpent (nom.) who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him."
Rev. 21:9
"Seven angels holding seven bowls (accus.) filled (gen.) with the seven last plagues."
TR - the old serpent in the accusative case.
Rev. 22:5
"They have no need of lamplight (gen.) nor of sunlight (accus.)."
Shalom,
Steven Avery
Queens, NY
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Messianic_Apologetic/
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