[B-Greek] rom 8:17

George F Somsel gfsomsel at juno.com
Sat Jun 4 17:04:08 EDT 2005


On Sat, 04 Jun 2005 15:56:33 -0400 "nicholas runecrow"
<runecrow at hotmail.com> writes:
> EI DE TEKNA KAI KLHRONOMOI KLHRONOMOI MEN QEOU SUGKLHRONOMOI DE 
> CRISTOU
> 
> Here, the construct KLHRONOMOI MEN QEOU is, for all intents and 
> purposes, 
> identical to SUG-KLHRONOMOI DE CRISTO. Noun + particle + genetive, 
> virtually 
> being- to my albeit perhaps undiscerning eye- the same construct 
> with simply 
> an exchange of words.
> 
> The first clause is almost always translated "heirs of God" given 
> the direct 
> sense with the particle "heirs, on the one hand, of God". So, the 
> genetive 
> is being translated as "of X" which I expect.
> 
> But the second clause is almost always translated "co-heirs with 
> Christ" 
> given the same sense "co-heirs, on the other hand, with Christ" with 
> the 
> particle. Then, the genetive is being translated as "with X" which I 
> do not 
> expect.
> 
> Given the "men...de" clause, it seems to me to say "these are the 
> same 
> constructs which are being contrasted" and I cannot understand why 
> the 
> second genetive is being translated as "with" and not as "of" as it 
> is in 
> the first instance.
> 
> Why is this? What is it in this construct that is causing the 
> majority of 
> translators to translate the genetives differently? What am I 
> missing?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Nicholas Plant
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Carl has complained (well, I don't know that "complained" is quite the
correct word) that some such as Dan Wallace have overly distinguished
various usages of the cases.  Perhaps your problem is that you take these
distinctions too seriously.  Yes, we can distinguish various usages for
the genitive (please note the spelling), but to the Greek they would all
have been simply genitive.  

george
gfsomsel
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