[B-Greek] John 15:9 - Use of Dative

Carl W. Conrad cwconrad at ioa.com
Thu Jun 9 13:47:22 EDT 2005


On Jun 9, 2005, at 11:41 AM, Barbara D. Colt wrote:

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> On 9 Jun 2005 at 11:10, George F Somsel wrote:
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>> On Thu, 9 Jun 2005 08:42:48 -0500 "Jason Lewis" <jason at marymag.com>
>> writes:
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>>> In John 15:9 there is a use of the dative where it seems a genitive
>>> would seem more suitable. (snip)
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>> TEXT
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>> KAQOWS HGAPHSEN ME hO PATHR, KAGW hUMAS HGAPHSA; MEINATE EN
>> THi AGAPHi THi EMHi
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>> The adj. agrees with the noun which it modifies.  (snip)
>>
>
> I had the opposite problem when I was first studying Greek.  They  
> never did
> agree when I expected them to, till I finally figured out that I was
> looking at a possessive pronoun and not an adjective.
>
> And by the way, are there any rules concerning when the adjectives  
> will be
> used and when the pronouns?  Or is it a matter of the speaker's whim?
>

EMOS/EMH/EMON is the pronominal ADJECTIVE for the 1 sg.;
the pronoun forms are simply EGW(N), EMOU (encl. MOU), EMOI (encl.  
MOI), EME (encl. ME)

I don't think there's a great deal of difference in MEANING between  
EN THi AGAPHi MOU
and EN THi AGAPHi THi EMHi but I personally think that THi EMHi is  
more emphatic than
would a simple genitive MOU. But it could as well have been EN THi  
EMHi AGAPHi -- and I think
that would have been the simpler and closer equivalent of EN THi  
AGAPHi MOU.

Carl W. Conrad
Department of Classics, Washington University (Emeritus)
1989 Grindstaff Road/Burnsville, NC 28714/(828) 675-4243
cwconrad2 at mac.com
WWW: http://www.ioa.com/~cwconrad/



Carl W. Conrad
Department of Classics, Washington University (Emeritus)
1989 Grindstaff Road/Burnsville, NC 28714/(828) 675-4243
cwconrad2 at mac.com
WWW: http://www.ioa.com/~cwconrad/




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