[B-Greek] Ephesians 6:18

David Bielby dbielby at bloomingtonvineyard.org
Wed Sep 7 16:39:14 EDT 2005


Dear Carl,

All of this makes me wonder if the use of this preposition
is determined as much by the nouns it is coupled with as it is
by the author who uses it.  I find the transition of the meanings
of words like this over time to be a fascinating aspect of 
B-Greek.  Thanks for the help on this.  I think I've got it now.

David

-----Original Message-----
From: Carl W. Conrad [mailto:cwconrad at ioa.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 3:23 PM
To: Big Greeks
Cc: David Bielby
Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Ephesians 6:18


On Sep 7, 2005, at 4:10 PM, David Bielby wrote:

> PROSEUCOMENOI PERI PANTWN TWN hAGIWN KAI hUPER EMOU
>
> Am I correct in translating PERI here as if it were hUPER?
>
> So it would be Praying for all the saints…

Yes.

> If so, why is this the case?  What caused it and how do I discern  
> that in
> other texts?

1. You should look at BDAG s.v. PERI 1.f (if you're not using BDAG,  
you should be -- it really is useful for resolving the sort of  
question that you are here raising.
2. I think that if you think of hUPER as meaning essentially "over"  
and PERI as meaning essentially "about," and that both prepositions  
are used with a genitive of the person(s) prayed "over" or "about,"  
you should find it not unreasonable that usage of the two  
prepositions should overlap. What BDAG shows is that they did indeed  
overlap.

Carl W. Conrad
Department of Classics, Washington University (Emeritus)
1989 Grindstaff Road/Burnsville, NC 28714/(828) 675-4243
cwconrad2 at mac.com
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