[B-Greek] Subject: Re: Matt. 28:1 OYE restored to "late" vs "before"
Lars
siaxares at yahoo.com
Wed Apr 19 14:07:33 EDT 2006
Attn: Carl Conrad who wrote:
Transliteration problems:
This SHOULD read: THi EPIFWSKOUSHi EIS MIAN SABBATWN
> The complication here is this particular point in time of
> reference is not yet "one sabbaths", it only approaching "one
> sabbaths". Since we know from other scriptures this is after the
> sabbath the presumption for ONE SABBATHS is that it is one day
> after the sabbath. But "lightening up into" is a reference to
> before that period. So it is not yet "one sabbaths" and thus there
> is a contradiction here if "one sabbaths" is believed to be the
> general idiomatic reference to one day after the sabbath.
CC: EIS MIAN SABBATWN means "into day one of the week," as the
translation that you presented above rightly indicates. Here you're
apparently operating on your own understanding (or misunderstanding?)
of the Greek phraseology. You really ought to check a lexicon (BDAG
or another) for the varied usage of SABBATON in the singular and
plural forms.
LW: Please note that you entirely missed the critical point here.
It is not simply "into day one of the week" but THi EPIFWSKOUSHi,
the reference to "lightening up into day one of the week" that is the
critical point here. "Lightening up" is used to express something
that is approaching. Thus by comparison we find at Luke 23:54 a
similar reference with a variation of this term translated as "Now
it was Preparation, and the evening light of the sabbath was
approaching." The Greek is:
KAI SABBATON EPEFWSKEN
and sabbath was lighting upon
Since this was still preparation, the day before the sabbath, lighting
upon indicates the approach of the sabbath, thus at Matthew 28:1
"lightening up into one sabbath" would likely express the approach
of "one sabbaths"; "one sabbaths" had not as yet occurred.
Because we know from other reference that this was indeed already
after the sabbath and on the first day after the sabbath, "one sabbath"
is not well translated as a reference to the entire day, but better
references the approach of a subdivision of the day. The context here
is that "one sabbaths" begins at sunrise. As I noted, since sunrise begins
a major division of the day, one of two, it could be a reference to the
"morrow" (EPAURION) that begins at sunsirse and since this would be the
second morrow of the day, "one sabbaths" could be a reference to one
morrow past the sabbaths.
This allows Matthew's reference to "lightening up into one sabbaths" to
thus be an approaching time of the day not already achieved, specifically
sunrise. Of course, it is obvious that this is the first day of the week when
sunrise occurs, but "one sabbaths" is not a reference to "one day after the
sabbaths" but more likely to one morrow after the sabbaths.
Again, as well in relation to DE not working here as "just before", just
like "one sabbaths" has to be interpreted by the context and is an
idiomatic expression, "but one sabbaths" is in idiomatic form as well and
would not thus be expected to mean exactly what it represents, but rather
needs to be interpreted based on the context. For that matter DE might
even function as "but" or "not" but merely repersents a longer phrase that has
been completely shortened here just as "one sabbaths" is short for "one day
after the sabbaths." So you can't simply look at DE MIA SABBATWN and begin
explaining why DE isn't modifying MIA SABBATWN, because there could be
several words missing here that are presumed and understood though unstated.
This could be like any other idiomatic that is only understood in its unique
context, just as we express 11:00 p.m. as "twenty-three hundred hours" knowing
that "hundred" is not a literal reference here but substitutes for a concept.
So we must basically understand the reefrence as best we can, fill in the missing
words and then after that we can begin to see how the rules of grammar might
apply.
Thanks for your critique on the spellings, much appreciated. And thatnks for the
references. Regards,
Larry Wilson
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