[B-Greek] Grammar: "i will have loosed"
Carl W. Conrad
cwconrad at artsci.wustl.edu
Fri Aug 4 13:08:48 EDT 2006
On Aug 4, 2006, at 12:39 PM, Thomas Thackery wrote:
> Mr. Conrad,
>
> Thank you for the reference. Αccording to Smyth §600 and its example
> of GEGRAFWS ESOMAI---and being mindful of the K in the perfect
> system---I am able to supply:
> LELUKWS ESOMAI λελυκώς ἔσομαι 'I will have loosed'
> This uses the "perfect active participle + future indicative of EIMI
> εἰμί "
>
> What I find interesting is that Foundalis' wrote ECO instead of
> ESOMAI. I will follow Smyth on this nonetheless until told otherwise.
>
> Ευχαριστὠ
> Thomas Thackery
> California
I think that ECW LELUKWS may be medieval, it certainly isn't ancient.
What we do see with some frequency in ancient Greek is ECW with an
aorist active participle, e.g. ECW MAQWN with the force of a perfect.
>
> On Aug 3, 2006, at 11:45 AM, Carl W. Conrad wrote:
>
>>
>> On Aug 3, 2006, at 2:06 PM, thomas wrote:
>>
>>> ΚΑΛΗΜέΡΑ,
>>
>> You might check out the transliteration scheme at http://
>> metalab.unc.edu/bgreek/faq.txt
>>
>>>
>>> I am learning κοινή Greek independently and can't seem to find
>>> the future perfect, active, indicative, 1st person, singular of LYW
>>> (λύω) in the book I'm using.
>>>
>>> I did find on Harry Foundalis' website an entry for "ancient" Greek
>>> (most likely Attic) for the above as λελυκώς ἔχω LELUKWS
>>> EXW, but can't seem to find this in κοινη Greek.
>>
>> The transliteration is tricky here: the standard BG scheme uses
>> "X" for Xi and "C" for Chi. The form you cite in Unicode is
>> actually a periphrastic perfect active, equivalent to LELUKA; the
>> equivalent future perfect form would be LELUKWS hEXW; theoretically
>> there could be a LELUSW.
>>
>> The place to look for this sort of thing is Smyth: §584 (http://
>> tinyurl.com/mxh42), §600-601 (http://tinyurl.com/pmq3y).
>>
>> There are very few authentic future perfects even in Classical
>> Attic, but here's one in the GNT that might be called a future
>> perfect: EIDHSOUSIN ("they will know") in Heb 8:11, but inasmuch as
>> the perfect-tense form OIDA really bears present-tense sense,
>> EIDHSOUSIN really functions as a simple future.
>>
>> We do see occasional future perfect middles -- always periphrastic
>> forms; a celebrated instance of it is Mt 16:19 with ESTAI DEDEMENON
>> and ESTAI LELUMENON.
>>
>>
>> Carl W. Conrad
>> Department of Classics, Washington University (Retired)
>> 1989 Grindstaff Road/Burnsville, NC 28714/(828) 675-4243
>> cwconrad2 at mac.com
>> WWW: http://www.ioa.com/~cwconrad/
>>
>>
>
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Carl W. Conrad
Department of Classics, Washington University (Retired)
1989 Grindstaff Road/Burnsville, NC 28714/(828) 675-4243
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