[B-Greek] Ephesians 2:1 What kind of dative in ONTAS NEKROUS TOIS?

George F Somsel gfsomsel at yahoo.com
Sat Aug 12 20:52:50 EDT 2006


Let me correct myself on that one.  I answered without looking it up in my Greek text.  I'm afraid I don't function the best with the transliterated text (perhaps some can use it but I can't) -- I basically use it to see that I'm looking at the correct passage (and I was thinking of an entirely different passage).
   
  My, what a string of prepositional phrases follow this.  I hadn't really paid attention to that previously. 
   
  Abbott in his ICC commentary seems to discount the notion that this could be an instrumental dative saying "this is hard to reconcile with the tense of óõíåæùïðïéçóå [SUNEZWPOIHSE]."  I would disagree with him on that.  I would take it as an instrumental dative -- "while you were dead through . . . [v. 5] he made you alive together with Christ."
     
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William Ross <woundedegomusic at gmail.com> wrote:

  Thank you, George.

This would preclude a translation of "dead in" correct? More like "dead to"
or "dead in respect to?"

William Ross
VGB, Argentina



On 8/12/06, George F Somsel wrote:
>
> I'd tend to call it a dative of respect -- being dead with respect to
> sin.
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> *William Ross * wrote:
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> The translation "being dead to your trespasses and sins" seems the natural
> and Pauline translation of Eph 2:1 rather than "dead IN."
>
> Can someone tell me which locative can be properly invoked to justify the
> "in" reading?
>
> Does anyone hold the opinion that the "in" translation is not a legitimate
> translation?
>
> My thinking is that the justification that would most likely be offered is
> "dative of sphere" or "dative of locative of sphere" (depending on the
> classification system subscribed to) but I suppose the justification might
> be a true "locative of place."
>
> Here is the passage:
>
> "KAI hUMAS ONTAS NEKROUS TOIS PARAPTWMASIN KAI TAIS hAMARTIAS hUMWN"
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> Thanks,
>
> William Ross
> VGB, Argentina
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