[B-Greek] Titus 2:13
George F Somsel
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Sun Aug 13 17:49:31 EDT 2006
I would be inclined to say that they are looking for ONE (1) thing expressed under two forms:
1. The appearance of the glory of the great God [which is also]
2. Our saviour Jesus Christ.
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William Ross <woundedegomusic at gmail.com> wrote:
Would you say that the text allows for the following?:
"eagerly awaiting the appearance of:
* the glory of the great god
and
* our savior anointed Jesus
Ie: that they are looking forward to two distinct things?
It seems to me that the appearance of the two things above is thoroughly
Pauline, whereas referring to Jesus as "the great god" is unprecedented.
Paul refers to the "appearance" of the [time of] favor in the same sentence:
Tit 2:
11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared [EPEFANH] to
all men,
12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live
soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;
13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great
God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
So, he says, the favor has appeared - now look for the glory - and also our
savior. That should be a thoroughly familiar theme. So the KAI connects
these two appearances, yes?
William Ross
VGB, Argentina
On 8/13/06, George F Somsel wrote:
>
> It's called haplography. I omitted it accidentally. Read
>
> "the blessed hope and appearance of the glory of the great God, even . .
> ."
>
> Sorry about that.
> ___________
>
>
> *William Ross * wrote:
>
> Thank you for the response.
>
> I don't see where you address DOXHS.
>
> William Ross
> VGB, Argentina
>
>
>
> On 8/13/06, George F Somsel wrote:
> >
> > You might consider
> >
> > Looking for the blessed hope and appearance of the great God even our
> > savior Jesus Christ.
> >
> > The omission of the article before ÏÏÏηÏÎ¿Ï [SWTHROS] might well indicate
> > that they are to be considered to refer to one and the same person. θεον
> > εÏιÏανη και κοινον ÏοÏ
ανθÏÏÏινοÏ
βιοÏ
ÏÏÏηÏα [QEON EPIFANH KAI KOINON
> TOU
> > ANQRWPINOU BIOU SWTHRA was used of Julius Caesar. See Moule, _Idiom Book
> of
> > New Testament Greek_, pp. 109-10; Lock, ICC _A Critical and Exegetical
> > Commentary on the Pastoral Epistles_, in loc.; Mounce, WBC 46 _Pastoral
> > Epistles_, in loc.; A. T. Robertson, _A Grammar of the Greek New
> Testament
> > in the Light of Historical Research_, p. 786.
> >
> > ___________
> >
> > *William Ross * wrote:
> >
> > Yea or nay on this translation of Titus 2:13?
> >
> >
> > 13 prosdecomenoi thn makarian elpida kai epifaneian thv doxhv tou
> megalou
> > yeou kai swthrov hmwn cristou ihsou
> > "Looking forward to the happy hope and the appearance of the glory of
> the
> > god's VIP and our savior anointed Jesus"
> >
> > The part I most want to focus on is the treatment of the genitives. The
> > term
> > "VIP" is obviously anachronistic and abbreviated. I would ask you to
> > indulge
> > me on that, knowing that what I understand it to literally say is "the
> > god's
> > great one."
> >
> > William Ross
> > VGB, Argentina
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